Then you defineatly need to give the Rittenhouse BIB or WT rye 101 a try then. Those 2 ryes are in differnt league. If you can find it the Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye tops them all. There is a store up in south Beloit that carries both and might just have some of the VWFRR. I cannot remember the name though. I too very much like the wheaters they are some of my favs. But Good whiskey is good whiskey and you will know it when you try it. Sorry to all for corrupting this fine Bourbon thread with Rye.