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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    I don't find the color of the new RY to be up to the standards set by the old RY. The taste has always been the entry level into wheated bourbons. I doubt that Luxco could afford to up the quality to a large degree...price hike would be soon to follow. I have seen a RY 7/91 available on a website or two. What gives with that one???
    Ezra Brooks is a low price leader in Texas. They give you age and proof for a good price. There is the regular 4/80, a slightly better 4/90, a much better 7/101 and a 12 yr/99 proof available in Texas. I recommend you give the one that sounds best to you a try. It would at least give you an idea of what they are trying to go for with their bourbons.
    I do think it would be nice for Luxco to use their weight and get into distilling in Ky.

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    I just got done calling Luxco and leaving a message for someone I think in Marketing By The Name of Dave about the bringing back of Old Hickory I do not know if he will call me and if I will be in my office if He does but I tried at least to find out if they have the Old Hickory Brand Label.

    I just looked on the Corporate web site and I left the Message for David Bratcher Vice President of Operations. I am no one in stature but I have never been afraid to call the right people and ask as that is the only way to find out and get things to happen!

    Myself I think this is the right time as so many people yet living that have drank Old Hickory, but if too many more years go by and people die off that part of Remembering how good it was will be gone.
    If I was Rich I would Dam well Buy it back myself and Have someone make it to even better then it was but I can't so all I do is hope by bugging them they will think about it if they own the Brand.

    One more thing It may take if they have the brand and I am fairly sure they do from what Charles Medley told me, is for more people who would like to see the Old Hickory Brand come back as something special as it was back in the day is that people e mail and ask and maybe even call as I did peoples wanting of it will play big in if it ever comes back. I just talked to our Marketing and sales guy and said that I am on the right track for trying to get this famous brand back. He said people asking and the amount of their interest plays very big in these things.
    He is an Irishmen who loves good Bourbon and He would love to see it back himself!
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    It Seems All The Nicest people Drink Old Hickory
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    On one of the reply's to some of my writting it was menioned by Jeff about the Teamwork at HH in their Bottle house well when I worked at Kinsey there was plenty of Team work all through the plant.

    There were not many people who did not get along there and there were few and far between injuries of any kind. When we went to the large Barrels and had to stack them it took alot of team work in doing it they were a nightmare.

    We all through the years tried many different jobs there and some we did not do great others we did wonderful. Myself trying to learn to be a Cooper was just not in the Cards Ludy tried to teach me but the biggest problem was they were all right handed and I was left handed and I just never got the hang of it, as it is a most hard job and was one of the best paying in the plant then!

    Coopering is very Hard work pounding on the Cooper Hammer with the Hand sledge. I remember one time a barrel I was working on started to fall apart and Ludy had to get right in there and fix my mess up. In the end Ludy gave me the old worn out Cooper Hammer slot gone on it and hand sledge I still have today as a reward for trying so hard.

    Publickers Coopers School in Marscess Hook Pa was one of the best there ever was and Ludy told me they had to start from scratch and build all kinds of barrels even making the parts by Hand. Then the Final thing was building there graduation 6 gal Barrel from scratch and its display holder which I posted pictures of his on the thread a while back.

    Ludy was one of the Best Coopers I ever saw and when he went into the Bottle House it took a while till they found someone half as good.
    When we did the Lawns on the yard gang in summer it was sure team work our Boss John Zuber would drop each of us off with a hand mower in the Old 1951 Ford Flat Head Six pickup and then he would get the riding mower and Val an Italion man another one of our team would break out the big tractor to mow large parts. we would all work toward each other till all was done in an area then move to the Next always starting out front and working back toward the steer pens and with 199 acre's it was a big job.

    But for the Most part Mr Neuman when He came was pleased with the Lawns and trees and flower beds. He loved the Place and wanted it to look like a park as much as possible and it did and another thing He liked and I spoke to my Friend who was a top EX in the company about it was the Wildlife He loved seeing the Deer, and pheasant's and rabbits walking around the Plant. I loved and still do the cool Spring and Fall breezes from the River that come up into the Plant.

    It was the Most Beautiful Distillery as far as Lawns and trees and plants there ever was like a beautiful garden and Park, back in the field coming from the Game Lands you can still see in the woods in two places where there were carridge drives and the trees are all of the same type lined on both sides and spaced exactly apart all the way down to the Old Kinsey House at the river.

    Kinsey was a One of a Kind Place and I do not think there will ever be a Distillery like it again and cost to have a place like that is prohited in the running of things today. But my Memories are of a Very Beautiful Place a one of a kind place that had Magic to it and many people who's lives were much blessed working there!

    And a place where some of the Best Whiskey's ever were made. And Of course the Most Famous one of All Old hickory Bourbon and number two County Fair BIB and Rittenhouse Rye the best Rye I ever drank!
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    It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
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    Post Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    I just got off the Phone from talking to Ludy and I told him about the Little Pointed Cone Peg Shaped Wood things I found in a big bag in the upstairs of the Maintaince Barn they Look like Golf Ties almost and He told me they were used just for what I thought they were, to pound into Holes in the Barrels for Leaks. He said they were called " Worm Hole Pegs " and that wood worms were the cause of Leaking Barrels at times and they would use a punch to make the Hole a little Bigger then Pound the Pegs in and break them off! they were made from a softer wood so they would go in easy and then swell up and totally stop the Leaks.

    They would check barrels in different Warehouses from time to time Looking for this type of Leak.

    Ludy said he thinks He remembers someone telling him about putting the two Old Full 1/2 Pint Scotch bottles I found in that wall so they would not be forgoten but He does not remember for sure. But by Looking at the bottom they were there for about 38 years and the Scotch Is excelent I had a shot again last night from one of them!

    I think they are from the 1967 /68 period of time and Cold Stream guard is a very good blended Scotch.
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    It Seems All The nicest People Drink Old Hickory
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    I guess one of the reasons Old Hickory was always so good was the fact that it was always at least 6 years old. Our 80 proof was 6 yrs and then we had the 10 year old 86 proof and looking at my Label collection to confirm our BIB 100 proof was 6 years old also!

    We never did any old Hickory that I know of that was not at least 6 years old and as I have spoken of before we had the special limited edition 20 anaversary batch we put out.

    Our newer bourbon Planters Club was in one version 90 proof 4 years old, and a 80 proof 4 years old. And Our other High end Bourbon Charter Oak we had a BIB 100 proof 8 year old bourbon and a 4 year 86 proof one and and also a 80 proof.

    We also had a 6 year 80 proof Bourbon in our Country Gentleman Brand which was an old Dougherty's brand we got when we bought Doughertys out! I even have a label with a very odd proof Old Hickory 75 Proof 10 years old it says! Never saw any of that but it was in with all the left over Labels I found yrs ago at the plant. We also made Midwest Bottled in bond Corn whiskey 100 proof and later we had the Stillbrook name from American Distilling and made a 100 proof BIb of it too!

    And of Course our other really big seller was our Hallers County Fair of which we had a 86 proof 4 yr & 86 proof 5 yr. Also our 100 proof and I have some labels for a special County Fair that was distilled in KY a BIB 100 proof that was distilled by Tom Hardy in Owensboro at KY 24 and bottled by us at Dsp-pa-12 in Linfield so as I always knew we did work for others and sometimes had some special stuff done for us too!

    Als One thing I know as fact No other Bourbon we made ever shared the Old Hickory Mass Bill it was used for Old Hickory and nothing else.
    And Last but not least We made a 100 proof Linfield Striaght Bourbon also an Old Kinsey Brand that was made sometime into the 1950's or a little into the 1960's

    We had so many brands I do not know them all I know of about 62 of them but they had over 100!

    One more Note the Old Wood Sign I found that I posted a picture of that says Kinsey Distilling Corp Pa #10 Distillery is a very Historic peice and I am hoping to get it soon my friends who watch the place are getting it for me it turns out Ludy told Me yesterday it was the sign that hung on the Front of the DPS-PA-12 Still where we walked in so I am so glad I dug it out of the piles of Brick!
    Dave Z
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    It Seems All The Nicest People Drink Old Hickory
    America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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    Post Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    One Of Our Oldest Earliest brands that was not made by the time I worked there was Sweep Stakes Whiskey They Had a Blended one and I have an old Bottle from 1934 that is 90 proof and states this Whiskey is Straight Whiskey 5 months old Bottled 1934 Continental Distilling.

    We also Had besides Haller's County Fair Bourbon a Hallers De Luxe Straight Bourbon Whiskey 80 proof 4 yrs old plus Hallers SRS Blended Whiskey in different proofs and Hallers reserve Blended.

    Another line we had was Diplomat whiskeys which we made a Diplomat Blended that was made with 8 yr old Straight whiskey 35% blended with Neutral spirits a Diplomat Gin and a Diplomat Vodka.

    Another very Old Brand of which I have an empty Bottle was Keystone State Straight Rye 90 proof it was made right after the end of Prohibition and was only 8 months old!

    Kinsey Silver came in two blends both used 35 % 8 yr old Straight Whiskey with 65 % Neutral Spirits. One was 80 Proof and the other was 86 proof which is what the bottle Ludy gave me is 86 proof and a very good blended whiskey.

    I will list some more when I can the Hallers Whiskeys when I worked for Publicker were giant sellers the SRS Blended was one of our biggest sellers and you could buy a full quart of Hallers SRS 86 Proof made with 8 yr old Straight whiskey in the blend for $4.73 I have an old Ruler from the late
    1950's to mid 1960's that states the fixed price!
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    Hallers SRS Full quart 25% More Whiskey than A Fifth Full 86 Proof $4.73 per Quart!
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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    Dave,
    what did SRS stand for? Select Reserve Stock was about all I came up with. What is the real meaning?

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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    When you think about it...a company that owned the rights to these labels / recipes would be nuts not to re-introduce them...the ones that had popular following...in an age of increasing whiskey selection and export....micro markets for certain products can be very popular. Maybe Hallers would sell big in the PA area....another brand would sell big elsewhere...brand loyalty should not be discounted. Look at the beer world... Yuengling for an example in your area...it does not have to be national to sell well.

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    Jeff "Special Reserve Stock" it was one of their very Best Blended's and they sold millions of Bottles back then. The Hallers Reserve was the Cheaper one which is still made I think by Luxco but nothing like ours.
    There were Two Bourbons we Made that never shared their Mash - Bills with themselves or any other Bourbon we Made and they were- Old Hickory Bourbon & County Fair Bourbon and having a bottle of each they are totally different and both are wonderful.

    The Old Hickory is smoother the Hallers County Fair is a very Full power BIB and the Bottle I Have may have been distilled at Kinsey as it was distilled in Spring 1946 Bottled in Fall 1951 in Phila. My Dad worked there then and may well have loaded the Barrels on the Box car or Truck to go down the be bottled!
    I never had the Old Hickory BIB but Knowing the way Old Hickory was it would have been smooth all Old Hickory Bourbons were well known for their Smoothness and full taste.

    We Also made a Straight Bourbon under the Red Crown Label for A&P stores out west and down south and in New England. and Red crown Blended ones I will look up their proofs tonight!

    Another Name we had for awhile and it was good then was Bankers Club Bourbon, if you look at an old Bottle it will say Regent Disitllers Phila another Name used by Continental, Bankers Club today is Rott gut from what I know but there was a day way back where it was a nice lower Price Bourbon!
    We also then had the Monogram Label also under Regent Distillers, and we Made a Rye way back in the early Years called Neshaminy Rye.

    Back In Jacob Kinsey days He made a Angelo Myers Rye and a Kinsey Special and a Kinsey Straight Rye.
    Back in early days at Continental they also made Charter Oak Rye & Brandy, Rum and Gin.

    We were the First Company to bring Majorska Vodka to the USA we had a line of Whiskeys Bourbons and Gins called Gold Star for the Military People.
    In the late mid 1970's we had the Guckenheimer Label, the Stillbrook Corn Whiskey BIB label and Bourbon Supreme all gotten from American Diistilling Corp!
    And we had our Own Corn Whiskey Mid West Straight Corn BIB and I have been told it was great Corn Whiskey!
    Way Back Continental also made a rye Whiskey called Three Kings Rye.
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    America's Most Magnificent Bourbon
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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    The only Luxco whiskeys are:

    Ezra Brooks

    Rebel Reserve

    Rebel Yell

    D. Nicholson 1843

    Davies County

    Bourbon Supreme

    Wall Street

    Yellowstone

 

 

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