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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    The PB&J drink sounds good...Peanut Lolita and Chambord.

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    Early today I was looking through some of my Continental / Kinsey Papers I have salvaged from there and found a blue print for the area built around the two Large Storage tanks at the back end of the plant they are giant and the blue print has all the things built in including a Dike wall on each side in case of a spillage due to something breaking! The Date is Feb 29 1960! So I finally know when the tanks came in by Rail car as they no doubt came that way. I will ask Ludy and I am also going to ask him how much they held as they are so big as Phills Fan and Fricky can tell you having seen them. And the Pictures I posted of them.

    These tanks were used for all the years that we bottled Spirits there and were not used after that and were just cleaned and left uncaped.

    Looking at the last brosure ever made for the place in 1982 By the man who bought it from Publicker that Year and leased them the bottling house it states
    there is Capacity for 2,000 to 1,000,000 gallons on sight! In clean Stainless steel tanks for short term or Long term! And this was not counting the tanks Publicker used daily

    It also states that all walls in the Warehouses are doubled walled windowless insulated and explosion proof. The Ceilings are 17 to 22 feet high and floors are 12 inces thick steel reinforced and have Virtual unlimited load bearing each floor.

    There are many nice pictures in the book and I will post some at a later time. Publicker owned the place till late 1980 and did the industrial Chemical and Antifreeze deal till fall 1986 when the guy who bought it from them just charged more then it was worth on their lease and that is when they closed down there and their Plant in Phila and went on to other ventures never being able to rise up like Procter and Gamble as they thought having their Chemical plant in Phila and La they could do by selling Kinsey for money leasing it back and redoing their Bottle house here and in Phila for the chemical stuff.

    Mr Neuman I have no doubt would have never gone that route but his death brought others who just made lots of mistakes including selling Kinsey and stopping the bottling of Spirits.

    There was a period before they sold in 1982 that they were going acording to Papers I found rent some of the empty Explosion proof warehouses to Oscar Myer and they were going to make them into large freezer Units which they would have been ideal for but I also found a paper that stated that they broke their contract to rent / lease them and Publicker was forced to sue and I don't think they ever got anything back it was a dirty deal but that is what happen to Kinsey one time after another.

    In fall 1986 when Piublicker gave up the Man who bought the place from them just shut everything down turned the boilers off got rid of the 24/ 7 security force and just walked away Leaving my Kinsey Distillery to go to ruin all these last 23 yrs.
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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    Did their spirits business start to suffer? I wonder why they would have given up on it....if it was profitable.

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    There was a down tread that hit slowly during about a 10 year period and when Mr Neuman died 1976 the People who forced their way on to the board started to try to change the direction of what the company did and they were the main reason that things were changed in 1979 3 years after Mr Neuman died.

    What Happen was that a couple of Men from Phila bought tons of Common Stock then went to some of Mr Neumans Family not letting on how much common stock they had and bought some Prefered stock from some of them then They got on the board and started the company on the pathway it ended up going on to its ruin and end. At first it seemed it might work the idea was to become a big force in Home Chemicals like P&G and since they had two large Chemical plants the one in Phila and one in LA down south it seemed like it might work but the amout of capital they needed to go just chemicals was the trouble.

    They sold off lots of things like the Lemont IL Bottle house and other things to use for Capital Investment into Chemical Bottling.

    That is why in 1982 they decided to sell Kinsey and lease part of it back and bottle Anitfreeze and Chemicals there. They needed the Money to set both Phila and Linfield up for bottling just chemicals and Anitfreeze with newer equipment.

    They had always made chemicals and antifreeze and bottled them in Phila in their History and the Industrial Alcohol bussiness was the bigger part but the Drinking Alcohol part was there to balance things out if one side of the bussiness was slow the other would most times be busy. They distilled and bottled till fall 1979 then after that they still distilled spirits to sell to other companys till around late 1981 I have a corn whiskey Barrel head from 1981.

    And so the 7 last years ( 1979 - 1986 ) of Publicker were just a path down to the end in fall 1986. And in fall of 1986 when People came in to go to work they found the place closed and right after that the man that has owned Kinsey since 1982 just turned everything off got rid of Security and walked away from it, leaving it to go to ruin. The worse move Publicker had done was to sell Kinsey to him but it was to late.
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    I called Ludy Yesterday Morning to ask him about when the big tanks across from Warehouse J were first used and He could not remeber but he helped me with a mistery I have been wondering about for a while now When I first found the brohsure with the aeriel shot of the Plant from 1980 in the very back in the field below the Weigh station and the last warehouse #38 before the steer pens there were 2 giant Blue tanks in the woods in the picture.

    Well Ludy told me that for more capacity they had two tanks about as big as the stainless ones I have taken pictures across from J put down back in the woods and after a tanker or dumping barrels in #38 they would pump to the tanks in the old weigh house till the tanks in it were full, weigh the spirits then pump it down to those tanks for storage till needed for bottling. They must have been put in right after I left working there so as to have even more spirits available.

    When I get a chance I will scan that part of the Picture and post it. Also I now know what used to be in the giant fenced in foot ball field size Pad right behind the Fire pumping station I found out back and took pictures of this past fall. It all makes sense now they built the fire station for two reasons one to add capacity for pumping water to the plant for fire fighting and also to protect from fire the tanks which must have been on this Pad at one time. When they were taken away I have no idea but I now know why the Pad is there fenced in seperate from the fire station way down behind the weigh station in the woods!
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    Friday my Contractor friend came back to the Plant to pack his gear He will not be back till next year when they tear a bunch of buildings down as we are stopping making of our biggest Product and going to do it in Japan. So He finally finished my other Explosion Proof lighting Conduit and my two Weather proof lights and switches from the Old 1892 Kinsey Barn the one switch you pull a lever up to turn it on Jim my Electrian friend told me that switch is from the turn of the century so I am so glad I got it off the wall in the Maintaince barn.
    Here are the two shots I took one of them lit without flash and one with flash.

    This is how the walls inside the Warehouse stairwells looked when you went in to turn lights on and stuff dozens of these pilot lights and explosion proof switches. And on the dock the Weatherproof ones too!
    The first time I went in one of the Explosion proof warehouses I was in awe of the Electrics! And how the Lights were sealed with bayonet covers on them. They worked right till the end nothing ever blew up.

    When I started collecting Kinsey / Continental stuff I made my mind up I was going to cover all aspects of the operation right down to these lighting Switches and pilot lights. I would guess I am the only person to make something like this up but it is a great way to preserve History as once the Plant is gone so are these.

    If I ever give another Talk on the Plant I will have these to set up and show this part of operating the plant!
    It was not easy getting these off walls to bring home and finding someone to make them work like this they plug in like a lamp but they will always be a part on my Collection.
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    First a quick note I forgot to say that when I got my Old Switches and Pilot lights going I also put original Light bulbs from the plant taken out of Fixtures on the docks. I thought it would be even cooler using bulbs from when the plant was operating.

    After work today it was such a nice day and with daylight savings time I decided to go over to Kinsey and take a walk and I was rewarded. I went down back and saw that more trees were knocked down by my Buddies near the Fire pump room so I got two pictures of the Cement Pad in the woods where the two big Tanks used to be how the hell they got the tanks out of them I do not have a clue as the fence is still up but I also have a picture of the tanks I scaned from the brosure and they are on the very far right back side of the Picture and that area is were the big Pad is.

    While I was back there I saw they had cut some trees farther back and into one of the old steer pens and to my surprise there was a dump with some broken and unbroken 1957 Old Hickory cafe Crafes. I found a couple of Unbroken ones and washed the Dirt out and put new lids I found in the Bottle house a couple of years ago on and I took a picture of them on each side of one of my original Labeled ones.

    I also got into Warehouse S going to the back and took a picture of another abandon Fork Lift and some piles of Cases.

    Here are the Pictures
    1. Looking at warehouse S ahaed
    2. Warehouse S sign
    3. thru 7 Inside warehouse S including piles of Cases never used, The elevator set to take barrels off at first floor and one of the old fire roll doors.
    8 & 9 The cement Pad where the tanks used to be in the woods
    10. Bottle Dump
    11. The two 1957 bottles I got and cleaned up with my original in the middle
    12. Scan of the aireal picture of the plant from 1982 tanks are on the far back right side. if you look at the back water tower and then to the far right the tanks are there.

    As I do this I am enjoying a shot of old Hickory 80 proof from the bottle that Jazz head gave me.
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    Re: My Memories of Kinsey Distilling

    Those are odd looking pint bottles....why that shape? And an unusual plastic screw top....wide mouth?

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    The Bottles pictured back on page #417 came in sets of two Bottles either BIB 100 proof or 80 proof Old Hickory Bourbon. They were made that when they were empty You could put Hot water or coffee in them set them in on top in your standard coffee cup. You would take them to the table and the person could put a shot of Old Hickory in the cup and pour Hot water or Coffee from the crafe into the cup they were heat tempered
    I have a set of BIB ones with Red Lids and the owners Manual and the box I also have a set of 80 proof ones.

    The BIB one I have pictured with the two I got at the dump has Distilled Fall 1950 Bottled Fall 1957 six yr old Bonded in Bond Bourbon.

    The first one of these I ever had my dad gave me from when he worked there. I was given one by a friend in the bottle house when I worked there and Smitty the Government Mans Son gave me one, the two Bib Matched set I bought at a flee market and I found the Owners manual and box at the plant two yrs ago!

    If you look closely at them you can see the bottoms are tapered, they are a full pint in size on the owners manual it says enjoy a hot toddy with these Old Hickory Crafes it is wonderful in Hot water! They fit perfect in a coffee Cup and sit in it till ready to use and stay Hot as thermal.



    They were made and filled in 1957 and only Old Hickory ever came in them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave ziegler View Post
    The Bottles pictured back on page #417 came in sets of two Bottles either BIB 100 proof or 80 proof Old Hickory Bourbon. They were made that when they were empty You could put Hot water or coffee in them set them in on top in your standard coffee cup. You would take them to the table and the person could put a shot of Old Hickory in the cup and pour Hot water or Coffee from the crafe into the cup they were heat tempered
    I have a set of BIB ones with Red Lids and the owners Manual and the box I also have a set of 80 proof ones.

    The BIB one I have pictured with the two I got at the dump has Distilled Fall 1950 Bottled Fall 1957 six yr old Bonded in Bond Bourbon.

    The first one of these I ever had my dad gave me from when he worked there. I was given one by a friend in the bottle house when I worked there and Smitty the Government Mans Son gave me one, the two Bib Matched set I bought at a flee market and I found the Owners manual and box at the plant two yrs ago!

    If you look closely at them you can see the bottoms are tapered, they are a full pint in size on the owners manual it says enjoy a hot toddy with these Old Hickory Crafes it is wonderful in Hot water! They fit perfect in a coffee Cup and sit in it till ready to use and stay Hot as thermal.



    They were made and filled in 1957 and only Old Hickory ever came in them!
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    If you want to see the owners manual for these Pint carafe's it is on Page 11 #110 of this thread where I posted my original Manual that came with the bottles.

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