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    the PVW enigma

    Something has had me curious for the past two weeks now. When I first bought a bottle of PVW20 some years back at the county store, I'm fairly certain the display included the quip about the BTI's 99 rating. At the time, I knew exactly squat about bourbon (although I was already a fan of VWFRR13) so the "99" loomed large in my shopping mind. Yes, I know, na´ve.

    Flash forward. Being a lightweight drinker, I still have that same bottle. And now knowing somewhat more about Pappy's legacy, I was more than a little surprised when last month, a taste of it screamed out "rye-recipe". Yes, it's a green-glass Lawrenceburg-label bottling. Yes, I know you guys have known for a while that the first bottling was not the now-classic Stitzel-Weller wheater.

    So, did the BTI give their 99 to the rye-recipe original bottling, or am I missing something here? When was the first Pappy 20 bottling of S-W whiskey?
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    Re: the PVW enigma

    Yes the 99 score was given to the rye-recipe, it dropped a few points when the tasted the wheater. BTI doesn't have a current score on their site, but Pappy 15 is rated a 98, and I happen to have a printout of some scores from June of 2001 and the 99 score was from a tasting in '96 and at that time ORVW 15 was given a 97, the 23yo was given a 96 during a tasting in '99.

    A few more from the printout.
    A.H.Hirsch 20 98 (1/10/99)
    Noahs Mill 15 96 (12/01/96)
    Bookers 95 (12/09/96)
    Wild Turkey 12 94 (01/10/99)
    A.H.Hirsch 16 94 (01/10/99)
    Old Crow 91 ((06/01/94)-I think I need to find some '94 Old Crow!!!
    Blantons 91 (12/09/96)

    Ryes:
    Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye 13 95 (01/10/99)
    Wild Turkey Rye 91 (08/29/99)
    A.H.Hirsch 13 89 (01/10/99)
    Jim Beam Rye 83 (12/01/96)

    just for fun, the last on their list of 63 then was Ten High with an 80 (01/10/99) the current low man on the totem pole (of only 24) is Old Whiskey River with an 80 (02/23/05)...so they must grade on an 80-100 scale
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    Re: the PVW enigma

    Quote Originally Posted by oldironstomach View Post
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    So, did the BTI give their 99 to the rye-recipe original bottling, or am I missing something here? When was the first Pappy 20 bottling of S-W whiskey?
    In the above post you mention the "BTI".
    What does that stand for and how does one access this for information?

    Thanks,
    Oscar

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    Re: the PVW enigma

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarV View Post
    In the above post you mention the "BTI".
    What does that stand for and how does one access this for information?
    That would be the "Beverage Tasting Institute" (link).
    Dave

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    Re: the PVW enigma

    Quote Originally Posted by barturtle View Post
    ....the last on their list of 63 then was Ten High with an 80 (01/10/99) the current low man on the totem pole (of only 24) is Old Whiskey River with an 80 (02/23/05)...so they must grade on an 80-100 scale
    Must not be much of a scale.

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    Re: the PVW enigma

    You can blame Robert Parker for that one.
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    Re: the PVW enigma

    Quote Originally Posted by barturtle View Post
    the current low man on the totem pole (of only 24) is Old Whiskey River with an 80 (02/23/05)...so they must grade on an 80-100 scale
    That's great - I cannot agree more wholeheartedly. Having made the mistake of trying Old Whiskey River once, I cannot imagine in my wildest dreams it being an 80 on any scale other than an 80-100.

    Great observation and analysis on your part!!!

 

 

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