Expensive whiskey=cheep beer

[ILLfarmboy]

Is it just me or do bars mark-up liquor at a higher percentage than beer? I've long suspected high liquor prices subsidize cheep beer. A local tavern charges $3.25 for a shot of WT 101 but you can get a bottle of Bud for $1.50. Beer specials are run all the time. A dollar for domestic bottles, .75 for domestic drafts. As I drive a little further from home to more upscale places drink prices not only increase but the disparity between beer and liquor prices becomes even greater. I once payed $8.25 for a shot of KC.

Thoughts anyone?

[Grain Brain]

I wouldn't compare WT101 to Bud. The price point Ben E. Keith is able to sell Bud at makes it more comparable to Kentucky Deluxe than any top shelf bourbon. Try getting a good independent like Sierra Nevada Pale Ale or Anchor Steam for $1.50.

[OscarV]

The local beer distributor will give free cases to a bar to lower the price.
This practice is banned in most states, because it shows no sale and the state is out the tax, but it still happens, and the bar can have a "beer special".
This is hard to do with liquor because in most states the state is the liquor distributor.

[barturtle]

True and if you get into more exotic brews such as Belgians, Meads and Vintage Ales, you can get into prices that rival elite bottlings such as Distillers Masterpiece, Pappy 23 and many hard to find scotches. Bud is the equivalent of a low end blended whiskey...so low in fact, that many bars would either use it as a well or not carry it at all. I have spent $20 on a beer (and turned down some priced over $100), this is much the same to me as getting a pour of the finest bourbons or scotches. Quality costs...that's why Bud is cheap.

[ILLfarmboy]

...This is hard to do with liquor because in most states the state is the liquor distributor.

A state monopoly huh. Thats certainly makes a big difference. Also not being a beer drinker I wasn't aware that Budweiser, and I'm assuming other macro beers, were seriously held in such low esteem. It seems everyone around here drinks them. Thanx for the info.

[OscarV]

It does seem everyone drinks it.
Budweiser is the number one selling beer in the world.
But not in the USA, that would be Bud Light.

[Solomon2]

When Anheuser-Busch was trying to woo us engineering students they explained that most of the cost was bottling and transport. (Not advertising, like Coke and Pepsi?). So I wouldn't be surprised that in Illinois they might sell beer cheaply, especially if they are overstocked of one type or another.

At a guess, I would say such a situation is especially likely this season because the late cold weather has discouraged people from drinking the kind of beer they would, so until now they were still favoring warm-weather brews. Now the cold weather hits and they have to dump light stuff like Bud in a hurry, to make room for Michelob. The Michelob isn't on sale in Illinois, is it farm boy?

[ILLfarmboy]

When Anheuser-Busch was trying to woo us engineering students they explained that most of the cost was bottling and transport. (Not advertising, like Coke and Pepsi?). So I wouldn't be surprised that in Illinois they might sell beer cheaply, especially if they are overstocked of one type or another.

At a guess, I would say such a situation is especially likely this season because the late cold weather has discouraged people from drinking the kind of beer they would, so until now they were still favoring warm-weather brews. Now the cold weather hits and they have to dump light stuff like Bud in a hurry, to make room for Michelob. The Michelob isn't on sale in Illinois, is it farm boy?

Because the only beer I buy is when I buy someone els a drink at the bar I cant speak authoritatively about grocery store prices. I've already thrown out the weekly ads but the on-line ad for the local hy-vee lists Michelob, Michelob lite, and Michelob ultra amber at $6.97 a 12 pack (is this comparable to your area?) www.hy-vee.com/weeklyspecials/weeklyspecials_page.asp?pg=16 I always thought Michelobe was more expensive than that. could that be a misprint? For comparison WT 101 is usually around 18.99, the ubiquitous JD black is usually a couple bucks cheaper and RB runs about 34 dollars and some change. The overpriced stuff with the red wax goes for 20 - 22 dollars.

I live in a rural area. In a typical small town bar in my area a JD and Coke (short one) will cost you on average three dollars. WT is a bit more expensive.

I'd be interested in hearing what everyone els pays in their area. both bar prices and retail liquor prices.

[Grain Brain]

Well, here, if you can actually find Michelob on tap, you'll probably pay the same as Bud, the only difference being that the bar may put Bud on sale where they won't do the same for Mich. Mich is an A-B product, just as Bud is, and it's only slightly better quality (I'm not talking personal taste here, I'm talking the expense of the ingredients and brewing process). As for grocery store prices, Mich. Ultra 12 pk for $7? That sounds pretty good, but then, it's been a long time since I bought any macros.

Now, comparing bar to store prices, and these are just rough, general guestimates for the Dallas area;

Bud on draft, $1.50 a bottle, at the store $4.50 a sixer. You do get a discount at the store because everything is just more expensive at a bar.

A shot of well bourbon like Old Crow or Early Times, $1.50 to $2 a shot, at the store, $12 a fifth.

A bottle of Sam Adams at the bar, $4.50, or $7.99 at the store for a sixer.

A shot of premium bourbon or sour mash, as in Beam Black or JD, $4 a shot, $18 a fifth at the store.

Seems to me you get a 'better deal' drinking the cheap stuff at a bar and splurging for the better stuff at the store, the percentage range between bar and store prices being smaller on the premium whiskeys.

[barturtle]

Find a bartender that pours you heavy and suddenly you're getting more for your money, something that is impossible with a bottle of beer.