A story here;
About 6 years ago My friend bought me a box of "true" Hoya de Montereys.. he bought them in the Cayman Islands. They were dry as a Shumard Oak's leaves in December. And they smoked badly.
Thus , I convinced a Proprieter of fine brown waters for a trade in the store. I believe I got the better of the stick.. I would say. As I got 2- 1.75' "handles" of George!