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    Re: Why not today

    Yes Dave, it could be done. I share Chuck's view. The Very, Very old Fitzgerald we drank back in the mid 60s was the best whiskey I've ever had, and, yes, it could be replicated today but I doubt it will happen. The business incentive simply isn't there.

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    Re: Why not today

    I wonder if it's like something I heard years ago when they brought the USS Missouri out of mothballs for a short time, that they were limited in what they could replace because the technology no longer exists to craft a replacement. That always puzzled me in today's world of high tech tools. Maybe VVOF reproduction is similar????

    If I remember what Dave Pickerell said during a prior MM tour, the still at SW was unique among Kentucky distilleries and that the still made for MM was the only other to have some feature? Maybe Chuck or one of the others present remembers that detail better than I?
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    Re: Why not today

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarV View Post
    duplicate the taste of Very Very Old Fitzgerald.
    Of course Heaven Hill owns the Old Fitzgerald name now so maybe that could be why they haven't tried.

    Hey Bettye Jo run it by Parker and Craig.

    Hi Oscar

    I don't get to see Parker much. I did see Craig last Thursday and gave him a "walk thur" to show him all the work we are doing at the bottlinghouse and the progress of the new line. We talked mostly about the new additions to the distillery/bottlinghouse and how things will change in the next year

    He's always working on things as do most distiller's. I remember years ago him pulling out a sample, asking me to "taste this". It's a "wheat" that we've been creating...Pretty awesome It was the early making's of "Bernheim Original"
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    Re: Why not today

    Here is what Pickerell told me (in Vol. 8, No. 6 of The Bourbon Country Reader):

    "The column still at the Stitzel-Weller distillery was specially designed. There is only one operating distillery that currently employs this still design: Maker's Mark.

    "There are a couple of fairly unique things to the design. First, the entire still system is made of copper. More importantly, the still is designed with essentially no rectifying plates. Instead, the beer from the beer heater enters the still in a copper pipe which coils around inside the rectifying section of the still much like the coil in an old flake stand type condenser. Then, the beer exits the pipe directly on to the feed tray.

    “Between the coil and the feed tray is a single disc and donut tray. The coil causes a fraction of the rising vapor to condense and drip onto the disc and donut tray. This will allow you to distill up to 120 proof or so, but not much more.

    “I've always thought lower proof column still distillation is more or less essential for making good wheated bourbon. Too much proof too early and you begin to lose some of the wheat's delicate nature. You can run the proof up a bit in the doubler if you want. We run our white dog off the doubler at 130 proof. I think Stitzel-Weller ran theirs off at about 140 proof.”

    Pickerell said both Bernheim and Buffalo Trace use more traditional rectifying plates in the tops of their column stills.

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    Re: Why not today

    Thanks Chuck, but it seemed to me that he said they modelled that still after the one at Stitzel Weller. with the coiled copper pipes as he described to you.
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    Re: Why not today

    As he says in the quote above, the Maker's still is (according to Pickerell) like the one at Stitzel-Weller. Or, rather, "are," since they have two.

    The ones at Bernheim and Buffalo Trace are not.

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    Re: Why not today

    Quote Originally Posted by cowdery View Post
    the Maker's still is (according to Pickerell) like the one at Stitzel-Weller. Or, rather, "are," since they have two.

    The ones at Bernheim and Buffalo Trace are not.
    Now that Beam Global has picked up Maker's Mark I understand that there is more expansion and a 3rd still coming.
    I assume it will be like the other two.
    I sometimes wonder if Samuels and Pickerell realize what Maker's could do.
    But I do see their problem with not being able to meet demand for the regular MM.
    If they were to do a Single Barrel that was distilled and barreled at a (vs. today's entry proofs) low proof, then I think they could create a buzz in the market that would have a huge financial return.
    I wonder if they realize how revered Four Roses Single Barrel is?
    FR does the low proof distilling and barrelling.
    I'd like to see MM do this because they could become a classic wheater like Old Fitzgerald because they have the equipment.
    ovh

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    Re: Why not today

    Well said, Timothy. I also just noticed your new "Guru" status, to which your posting response justifies.

    Congradulations!

    p.s. You forgot to add the glass from the bottle. Probably different today.
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