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    Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Greetings,

    I am looking for a bourbon to try. I love scotch and will drink basically and good SM or blend. I like all regions from Scottland. I also like Irish whiskey as well. The only bourbon I tried so far was Markers Mark. I really tried to like it, but did not. Way to syrupy, sickly sweet, to much caramel corn flavor. Anyway, is there an inexpensive complex boubon that is opposite of Makers Mark.

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Maker's is probably no sweeter than many other bourbons, however they go to the trouble to take steps to eliminate any trace of bitterness, so that leaves it tasting sweeter as there is nothing to balance it out. You'll probably want to move to a bottling with rye as the small grain, instead of wheat like Maker's; or maybe even go straight to a rye whiskey.

    Some (mostly) uniformly agreed upon bottlings:

    Baker's
    Old Grand Dad 114
    Knob Creek
    Ancient Ancient Age 10yo
    Four Roses Small Batch and Single Barrel
    Old Forester Signature 100 proof
    Evan Williams Single Barrel

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    Wild Turkey
    Rittenhouse BIB
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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    And any of the Wellers

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Almost the first thing to come to mind (for better or worse) when I first tried Eagle Rare Single Barrel was, "Great bridge bourbon for Scotch drinkers."
    Try it.
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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    How about Buffalo Trace or EC 12. I read those are highly regarded here.

    Thanx

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Evenin', Govnuh.

    I think both BT and EC12 are excellent bourbons at reasonable prices. Both will show off different aspects of bourbon. Neither will be like Maker's Mark. For my money, BT and EC12 are both great bourbons that I purchase often.
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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gov View Post
    Greetings,

    I am looking for a bourbon to try. I love scotch and will drink basically and good SM or blend. I like all regions from Scottland. I also like Irish whiskey as well. The only bourbon I tried so far was Markers Mark. I really tried to like it, but did not. Way to syrupy, sickly sweet, to much caramel corn flavor. Anyway, is there an inexpensive complex boubon that is opposite of Makers Mark.

    Regards,
    Gov

    Welcome to the board, Gov.

    I would say try some traditional bourbon. Maker's is a wheated bourbon which you found overly sweet. As a result, I'd say stay away from wheated bourbon, i.e., Old Fitzgerald, Van Winkle, Weller, etc.

    I'd suggest Wild Turkey Kentucky Spirit or Wild Turkey Rare Breed. Also, definitely try Elijah Craig 12 year old, and OGD BIB or the 114. Give Eagle Rare 10 year old a shot too. All of these bourbons are easy to find in my area but I'm not sure yours. The Turkeys and OGD should be a breeze anywhere. As for the Eagle Rare, I'm not sure.

    Regards,

    Mark

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    I believe if you feel MM is too sweet than many bourbons may not be to your liking. One that I feel is more Islay tasting than bourbon is the Elijah Craig line. Either the 12 or 18 would work. Maybe try there? Others have recommended it as well so I will second that recommendation as our "bourbon bridge".

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Elijah Craig 18 is an excellent suggestion as are the others. A bourbon that uses rye as the secondary grain in the mash generally will seem less sweet than one which, as Maker's Mark, uses wheat in that capacity. Some of the older bourbons in the KBD range are to be recommended too, e.g., Pure XO.

    Still, I agree that overall the palate of bourbon is on the sweet side. Yet, this is relative, since amongst even the rye-recipe bourbons there are bourbons that to my taste are notably dry. Blanton's is in that category, the higher the proof (for dryness) the better.

    Sweetness too seems to come off differently in different drinks, or to different people. I think many single malts, especially sherry-aged or finished, are sweeter than many bourbons I know, but it is all down to personal preference..

    Gary

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    Re: Scotch/Irish Drinker In Search Of.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Gillman View Post
    Elijah Craig 18 is an excellent suggestion as are the others. A bourbon that uses rye as the secondary grain in the mash generally will seem less sweet than one which, as Maker's Mark, uses wheat in that capacity. Some of the older bourbons in the KBD range are to be recommended too, e.g., Pure XO.

    Still, I agree that overall the palate of bourbon is on the sweet side. Yet, this is relative, since amongst even the rye-recipe bourbons there are bourbons that to my taste are notably dry. Blanton's is in that category, the higher the proof (for dryness) the better.

    Sweetness too seems to come off differently in different drinks, or to different people. I think many single malts, especially sherry-aged or finished, are sweeter than many bourbons I know, but it is all down to personal preference..

    Gary

    Gary, great post.

    Regarding the Pure Kentucky XO, I grabbed a bad bottle and didn't like it. It was super sweet. But, I heard there are good bottles to be had too.

    Anyway, I like your line of thinking with the KBD in that I think the Vintage 17 would be a great recommendation since it's a very high rye recipe, or so it seems to my pallate.

    Mark

 

 

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