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  1. #11
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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    The Classic Cask I have is not rye. Can anyone point me to the rye thread? BTW, this is the batch that was purchased/bottled for Alan @ SMSWS.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    Go to the main index, and look down to the rye section - I think the thread on Classic Cask Rye is "a new rye", started by me. Good luck!

    Ralph Wilps

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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    Classic Cask mystery is solved!

    I spoke to Alan Shayne, Pres. of the Scotch Malt Whisky Society, today about the origin of Classic Cask bourbon and he informed me that this is a special project that he has been working on with Even Kulsveen at his distillery (NOT Heaven Hill) for about seven years now. So, this is a special release bottling done especially for the SMSWS by Even Kulsveen (possibly the finest distiller in the world today). Oh yeah, I had a nip last night and it is like nectar of the gods. Full of aromatic oils, honey, slight charred oak, custard and a bit of citrus. Finished smooth as silk. The best bourbon I've ever had. JMHO.

  4. #14
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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    Glenn, regarding the origin of this bourbon, please dig a little deeper.

    My Classic 17 was distilled in '82, bottled in '99. How does a 7-year project between Shayne & Kulsveen explain the origin of a 17-yr old bourbon?

    Kulsveen wasn't in the bourbon biz in '82 as far as I know. Shayne/Kulsveen must have acquired the whiskey someplace else (like BT) and bottled it.

    Kulsveen's real whiskey production has been shrouded in secrecy. I hear he's been bottling for the past few years. I'm a big fan of 'his' whiskey, he really knows how to pick 'em, like Julian. Much of his stuff goes to Japan.

    Back to the origin of Classic 17 -- try an experiment. Get a bottle of the 17y Eagle Rare, ($40) and do a side by side comparison.

    Cheers,
    Omar

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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

    This is making me craaaaazy!! Alan's near verbatim words to me were "I've been going there and spending time w/ Even and it's been great fun. We've been working on this project for about the last seven years. Even is a great guy and a delight to work with. This whiskey comes from Even's distillery, not the racks at Heaven Hill." I have no idea exactly how long Even has had the distillery running, but the closet I can come is around the mid-eighties. My bottle was an '83, bottled in '00. I'm beginning to believe we may never really know the true origins of Classic Cask...but I will hunt down a bottle of 17 yr. Eagle Rare and check it out for grins.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    In fact, the reality is just the opposite of what you say. Even (more accurately, his father-in-law) has not had that distillery operating since the mid-eighties, and then it was being used to make ethanol for fuel, not whiskey. In other words, it is not operating now, it was not operating last year, and it has not operated since the mid-eighties.

    Even is married to one of the Willet daughters. When he started his operation, there was still some Willet whiskey left in the warehouses. Whether or not any of that whiskey is still around, and whether or not that's what he used for Classic Cask, is unknown. It is known that Even has obtained whiskey from sources other than his father-in-law's stash. It seems likely that he has obtained whiskey from Heaven Hill. It is also possible that he has obtained whiskey from Barton, Buffalo Trace, or any number of other possible sources. I'm certainly prepared to believe it's not Heaven Hill. I just know that he hasn't been cooking anything up there on Willet Hill. He has a bottling line, offices and distribution. That's it.

    However, he and Trey Zoeller, and maybe some others, have been working on getting a distillery going again at that site. They have a new building built. Even's longtime dream has been to have a working distillery and operate it as a tourist site, much like Maker's Mark or Labrot & Graham. He has the advantage of being right in Bardstown. I have not heard anything that would lead me to believe that distillery is operating and, if it is, it has been operating for a very short time and can't have produced any drinkable whiskey, let alone a 17-year old. I was there less than a year ago and the new distillery building, while substantially completed, was not finished and not operating.

    I have no quarrel with the description of Even as "a great guy and a delight to work with," but he's no distiller. Not yet, anyway.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with... Classic Cask

    Chuck, thank you for the great info. Unfortunately, the waters are murkier than ever now, but at least I'm learning a great deal.

 

 

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