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    Not sure if this is vatting

    Hi I'm new to this site and had a question about "vatting", I think.

    I understand that bourbon doesn't mature in the bottle but it does mature in charred oak barrels.

    I was considering buying a 1 gallon small charred oak barrel from a place down in Kentucky. They say its the same kinda barrels used for bourbon but smaller.

    If I get the barrel and fill it with some of my favorite bourbons, what will happen to it if I leave it locked away in a safe place for a few years?

    What happens to bourbon as it sits in the charred oak barrel? Does it gain in potency?

    Or

    What about a single gallon barrel with a serving spout to house a nice mixture of my favorite bourbons and periodically adding bits of ones I like to it over the years.
    With this idea I was worried about air.
    I figure the repeated opening and closing to add other brands, along with the barrel never being totally full might negatively effect it.
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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Your describing re-barreling, this will not do any harm, in fact in some cases it can help a bourbon.
    In the second part your describing a living barrel. This can provide some interesting results, add some in and take some out.
    I dont have much experience with the process but I've tasted the results of a re-barrel and the results failed to suck.

    What is this barrel source of yours?

    Bill

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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Well the place that sells the barrels is http://www.kentuckybarrels.com/


    When you say it failed to suck do you mean it was just barely good would have been better if it wasn't in the barrel?


    Was thinking about re-barreling some old rip van winkle 10 year 107 proof maybe mixed a little bit with something else
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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Thanks for the link, lots of neat ideas.

    Quite the opposite it was very good!

    Bill

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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolomight View Post
    Was thinking about re-barreling some old rip van winkle 10 year 107 proof maybe mixed a little bit with something else

    I would seriously reconsider that idea. If Julian VanWinkle says that bourbon is at it's peak....then the chance that you will make it better is very small. I would think that Rebel Yell would offer more of a chance to improve by a larger degree with some additional time within a barrel. Try an inexpensive label first....sip on some Pappy while you watch it age.

    Have you read Dougdogs thread on rebarreling...very helpful!

    Good luck and keep us informed.
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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Jeff,
    you make a very good point, I read that pre coffie this morning and missed the part about using the Vanwinkle.
    Dougs is the rebarrel that I have tasted and it was very good, I am new here and didnt read his post yet but I am quite sure it is some great advise.

    Bill

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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Re-barreling is something I'm really interested in trying myself one of these days. Please keep us posted on what you decide and how it works out for you.

    Mark

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    Re: Not sure if this is vatting

    Just remember that the smaller the barrel the faster it will "age" or, give off wood/oak qualities into the spirit.

    Roger (Rughi), is currently rebarreling a young Willett in a barrel (larger than I have ever worked with). He first conditioned the barrel with bottom shelf ND bourbons (to take out some of that raw wood quality). If I rebarrel again, I will probably do the same. You'd be using a "used" barrel, yet it won't be anywhere near spent.

    Hope this helps. Let us know what you do, it was a fun experiment when I did it!

    Rebel Yell sounds like a good candidate for a second (or first) fill, although I would try for a higher proof 90-100--but then you'd be looking at higher expense. I'd rebarrel a wheated bourbon if I did it again.
    Last edited by jinenjo; 05-28-2008 at 10:31.
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