jsVA Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 On that point, no so much on the pappys, but there are numerous sites selling BTAC from around $140 a bottle in europe. some of the sites have stock of stagg and weller from 2009 and 2010. almost all have handy and saz18 as well. seems offshore is definitely getting more bottles then are selling while as you said, people are lining up here trying to get one bottle of any BTAC available just to have one from that year.Just to continue on offshore prices, I was in a shop in London a couple of months ago that was selling either Baker's or Bookers for GBP90 a bottle while Pappy 15 yr was listed at GBP70 at this same shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_elliott Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) The truth is guys it's just not that good for the money. They can sell it for a $1000 a bottle I'm done with it. It's all hype now. I'm also tired of this annual ritual of 15 to 30 or more threads on Pappy and BTAC you can only beat a dead horse so much. :soapbox: Edited December 6, 2012 by p_elliott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The truth is guys it's just not that good for the money. They can sell it for a $1000 a bottle I'm done with it. It's all hype now. I'm also tired of this annual ritual of 15 to 30 or more threads on Pappy and BTAC you can only beat a dead horse so much. :soapbox::iagreejeff: Err, Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restaurant man Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 The truth is guys it's just not that good for the money. They can sell it for a $1000 a bottle I'm done with it. It's all hype now. I'm also tired of this annual ritual of 15 to 30 or more threads on Pappy and BTAC you can only beat a dead horse so much. :soapbox: [h=2]Re: Once a year allocation for Pappy?[/h] This is the most exciting news to hit these boards in months!!!!! Now, I only have to get through the fortyeleven PVW threads that coincide with it's release just once per year!!! Only once per year will I have to gut it through......"Anybody know when Pappy's release date is?"; "Wahoo, I'm the first to report seeing Pappy in a store!!!!! :woohoo:"; "My store only got 1 bottle of 15. :smiley_acbt::banghead:::hot::smiley_acbt:. How many did your store get???" "Is Pappy 15 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Is Pappy 20 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Is Pappy 23 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Damn this chafes my shorts, the 15 yr is $114 here!!! :hot::hot::hot:How much is it in your area???"; "Hi my name is Mort, i just signed up here...can anyone tell me where I can buy Pappy?"; "Anybody seen Pappy in Cooter Station, West Virginia yet?"; "Hey, can anyone tell me if my bottle is Stitzel-Weller?"; "Sound off! Who has their Pappy?"; "This Pappy is great juice....Who agrees with me?!?!?!":bowdown::bowdown:; " Good News! Webcam showing Pappy being bottled today!!!!"; "So, when did Stitzel-Weller stop distilling?"; "How much do the Pappy's cost in your area??"; "Somebody stole my Pappy!! :hot::hot::hot:"; "Why can't they just start up Stitzel-Weller again?? :( :("; "Preston just tweeted that Pappy 15 is really 15 years and 3 MONTHS!!!!! " :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:; "Are we sure the 15 year is now BT??????"; "Goodbye all, I dropped my Pappy....BANG!! :pope:"; "What's 1,992 + 15???"; "Is Stizzel-Willur still distilling?"; "What should I do with my 17 bottles of Pappy 15???" :confused::confused:; "Is E-Bay a good place to buy Pappy 15??" :confused::confused:; "I know this has probably been asked before, but does anyone know if the current release of Pappy 15 is from the legendary Stitzel-Weller Distillery??" Ahhhhh. The Springs will be so nice....:bis::bis::bis: this post from smokin joe still gives me a lot of pleasure ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_elliott Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Re: Once a year allocation for Pappy? This is the most exciting news to hit these boards in months!!!!! Now, I only have to get through the fortyeleven PVW threads that coincide with it's release just once per year!!! Only once per year will I have to gut it through......"Anybody know when Pappy's release date is?"; "Wahoo, I'm the first to report seeing Pappy in a store!!!!! :woohoo:"; "My store only got 1 bottle of 15. :smiley_acbt::banghead:::hot::smiley_acbt:. How many did your store get???" "Is Pappy 15 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Is Pappy 20 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Is Pappy 23 still Stitzel-Weller?"; "Damn this chafes my shorts, the 15 yr is $114 here!!! :hot::hot::hot:How much is it in your area???"; "Hi my name is Mort, i just signed up here...can anyone tell me where I can buy Pappy?"; "Anybody seen Pappy in Cooter Station, West Virginia yet?"; "Hey, can anyone tell me if my bottle is Stitzel-Weller?"; "Sound off! Who has their Pappy?"; "This Pappy is great juice....Who agrees with me?!?!?!":bowdown::bowdown:; " Good News! Webcam showing Pappy being bottled today!!!!"; "So, when did Stitzel-Weller stop distilling?"; "How much do the Pappy's cost in your area??"; "Somebody stole my Pappy!! :hot::hot::hot:"; "Why can't they just start up Stitzel-Weller again?? :( :("; "Preston just tweeted that Pappy 15 is really 15 years and 3 MONTHS!!!!! " :woohoo::woohoo::woohoo:; "Are we sure the 15 year is now BT??????"; "Goodbye all, I dropped my Pappy....BANG!! :pope:"; "What's 1,992 + 15???"; "Is Stizzel-Willur still distilling?"; "What should I do with my 17 bottles of Pappy 15???" :confused::confused:; "Is E-Bay a good place to buy Pappy 15??" :confused::confused:; "I know this has probably been asked before, but does anyone know if the current release of Pappy 15 is from the legendary Stitzel-Weller Distillery??" Ahhhhh. The Springs will be so nice....:bis::bis::bis: this post from smokin joe still gives me a lot of pleasure ! :bowdown: LOL :bowdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil T Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Joe's Pappy post is one for the ages. It will go down in SB history as one of the all time greats.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockefeller Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 David has spoken: http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/12/6/whisky-bubble-were-never-going-back.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanstaafl2 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 David has spoken: http://spiritsjournal.klwines.com/klwinescom-spirits-blog/2012/12/6/whisky-bubble-were-never-going-back.htmlI am also inclined to think the so called bubble isn't likely to burst any time soon. Not only is there the billion plus people in the Chinese market with lots of potential for growth left but there is the Indian market and their billion plus population that remains to be further exploited. Although as for never, well that is a very long time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockefeller Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I am also inclined to think the so called bubble isn't likely to burst any time soon. Not only is there the billion plus people in the Chinese market with lots of potential for growth left but there is the Indian market and their billion plus population that remains to be further exploited. Although as for never, well that is a very long time!I tell this all the time to people who don't know: China loves loves LOVES whiskey (cognac too). The Chinese population not only enjoys it on a basic level but they also frequently give it as business gifts (huge amount spent on this). Thus far, most of this demand has gone towards scotch and quite a bit of garbage like Johnnie Walker. But those tastes and preferences will change over time as the upper-middle class makes a greater shift towards premium whiskeys including American ones. There is no doubt in my mind that China will be the largest consumer of whiskey in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclebunk Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I tell this all the time to people who don't know: China loves loves LOVES whiskey (cognac too). The Chinese population not only enjoys it on a basic level but they also frequently give it as business gifts (huge amount spent on this). Thus far, most of this demand has gone towards scotch and quite a bit of garbage like Johnnie Walker. But those tastes and preferences will change over time as the upper-middle class makes a greater shift towards premium whiskeys including American ones. There is no doubt in my mind that China will be the largest consumer of whiskey in the near future.Huh? Johnnie Walker Blue is certainly overpriced but it is far from "garbage." If you have any extra bottles laying around and feel like getting rid of them, be sure to send them my way first.:grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockefeller Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 (edited) Huh? Johnnie Walker Blue is certainly overpriced but it is far from "garbage." If you have any extra bottles laying around and feel like getting rid of them, be sure to send them my way first.:grin:JW Green is the only one I'd put my time/money towards and they are discontinuing it because it "confuses" their consumers within the brand :skep:. Blue is a decent dram for sure; I think I'm angrier at the people who think it's "the best" Edited December 6, 2012 by Rockefeller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclebunk Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 JW Green is the only one I'd put my time/money towards and they discontinuing it because it "confuses" their consumers within the brand :skep:. Blue is a decent dram for sure; I think I'm angrier at the people who think it's "the best"And, of course, it is ridiculously priced at $170-ish. At even half that price it would be a questionable outlay of money, though I'm happy to drink it when others are buying. (We have a doctor friend who buys it by the case, especially around the holidays, and when he puts a bottle in front of me and tells me to help myself, I helps myself. Can't disobey doctor's orders!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBottle Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Johnnie Walker Blue is the Pappy Van Winkle of the Scotch world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB64 Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 Johnnie Walker Blue is the Pappy Van Winkle of the Scotch world.I feel the same way. I have seen posters scoff at the thought of someone laying down a couple of bills for JW Blue then post about paying the same amount or more for a bottle of PVW23. In my opinion both are way overpriced based on my PV benchmarks. On the other hand like Unclebunk noted if someone pours me a glass of either I will gladly accept. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripvanwrinkle Posted December 6, 2012 Share Posted December 6, 2012 I think that a better analogy is to say that PVW23 is the Port Ellen of the bourbon world. Nobody is putting bottles of Johnnie Walker Blue away as an example of a distillery long closed.Although many purchasing decisions might be driven from a magazine article or to fill a sense of ego, it is a little disingenuous to dismiss the other variables in the PVW23 price to value equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I think Pappy 15 is the Carcharodontosaurus of wheaters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
portwood Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 I think that a better analogy is to say that PVW23 is the Port Ellen of the bourbon world. Nobody is putting bottles of Johnnie Walker Blue away as an example of a distillery long closed.Port Ellen and Brora. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifax Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The Pappy bubble will NOT bust anytime soon. They purposefully limit supply and distribution. They have learned that their retail prices were low by virtue of the secondary market. Price increases will come with each new seasonal release. The only thing that will change is that the enthusiasts who built the brand will simply walk away from it at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBottle Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) People buy Port Ellen to obtain good whisky from a shuttered distillery. Currently, most people buy Pappy Van Winkle for the name, a la Johnnie Walker Blue. They don't know or care that the juice, or a good portion therof, is from Buffalo Trace and not S/W. The Pappy 23 is the lone exception, but ironically it is the 15 and 20 that people are primarily after. Comparing PVW to PE insults Port Ellen. Edited December 7, 2012 by LostBottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Lamplighter Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 The only thing that will change is that the enthusiasts who built the brand will simply walk away from it at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wripvanwrinkle Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 (edited) People buy Port Ellen to obtain good whisky from a shuttered distillery. Currently, most people buy Pappy Van Winkle for the name, a la Johnnie Walker Blue. They don't know or care that the juice, or a good portion therof, is from Buffalo Trace and not S/W. The Pappy 23 is the lone exception, but ironically it is the 15 and 20 that people are primarily after. Comparing PVW to PE insults Port Ellen.And yet i compared PVW23 with Port Ellen rather than the PVW20/PVW 15. I diasagree with your vehement comparison of the two. They are both fine whiskey. Neither is my favorite. Not towards you, Lost Bottle, but I'm not sure what I find more fascinating: the irrational PVW love or the passionate backlash. Edited December 7, 2012 by wripvanwrinkle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Restaurant man Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 And yet i compared PVW23 with Port Ellen rather than the PVW20/PVW 15. I diasagree with your vehement comparison of the two. They are both fine whiskey. Neither is my favorite. Not towards you, Lost Bottle, but I'm not sure what I find more fascinating: the irrational PVW love or the passionate backlash.Just remember... Money is not the root of all evil. It is the 'love' of money... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Pappy 20 is more of an Allosaurus I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockefeller Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Bringing things back to the issue of pricing, I have a fairly rudimentary way of calculating my potential "price ceiling": How much would I pay for this drink at a bar? If the highest I would ever pay for a PVW15 at a bar is $15, then I should also be willing to pay up to ~$190/bottle - given each 750ml bottle has a little over twelve 2oz servings. This obviously does not take into account all types of factors (like gratuity, opportunity costs of buying other bottles, the value of being in a bar atmosphere with friends, how drunk you were at the time of purchase, etc.) but you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_elliott Posted December 7, 2012 Share Posted December 7, 2012 Bringing things back to the issue of pricing, I have a fairly rudimentary way of calculating my potential "price ceiling": How much would I pay for this drink at a bar? If the highest I would ever pay for a PVW15 at a bar is $15, then I should also be willing to pay up to ~$190/bottle - given each 750ml bottle has a little over twelve 2oz servings. This obviously does not take into account all types of factors (like gratuity, opportunity costs of buying other bottles, the value of being in a bar atmosphere with friends, how drunk you were at the time of purchase, etc.) but you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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