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Another site stated among others that there are rumors that OGD 114 will be discontinued and that ECBP will lose its age statement in 2018. Any truth to these?

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flahute   
flahute

These rumors have been around for a while now. OGD114 was on the chopping block a while back but they reversed course and saved it.

Who know? Both could happen, but nobody has said for sure.

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Mako254   
Mako254

Listened to a podcast that had Denny Potter on as a guest. My take away was the decision to discontinue EC12 was to prevent Elijah Craig from turning into a ghost like weller has. By dropping the AS, HH can keep the 12 year AS BP and bring back the 18 and 20 plus year stuff. 

 

No idea about OGD 114. If that is true, I'll need a second bunker. The cabinet is about at 1 bottle in, one bottle out status. 

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GaryT   
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As Steve pointed out, the OGD 114 rumor has been around for a while.  If it is still selling at the new price point (in Atlanta it's about 30-40% higher than it was 2 yrs ago), I can't see why they would.  On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the AS on the BP.  I don't think that would hurt those sales one bit, and there is some damn tasty EC right from the barrel in the 10-12 yr range (at a private selection pick in April, a couple that were just shy of 11 yrs were awesome!)

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kevinbrink   
kevinbrink

I wouldn't mind if ECBP went away from 12 yr age statement as long as it kept an age statement. I like the store picks of EC better than EC12 so while I would imagine they might save some good barrels for ECBP I would imagine there could also be a spectacular EC 9 yr BP.  Since they moved the age statement to the side, I would imagine it would be easier to vary it.  

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CardsandBourbon   
CardsandBourbon

I've seen more OGD 114 in the past few weeks so I would be surprised if it was being discontinued.  The AS on the EC I could see going away so they can get more on the shelf, even at barrel proof.  As long as it tastes good losing the AS wouldn't kill me.

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Mako254   
Mako254
3 hours ago, kevinbrink said:

I wouldn't mind if ECBP went away from 12 yr age statement as long as it kept an age statement. I like the store picks of EC better than EC12 so while I would imagine they might save some good barrels for ECBP I would imagine there could also be a spectacular EC 9 yr BP.  Since they moved the age statement to the side, I would imagine it would be easier to vary it.  

 

The private barrel of EC that beast master did was very very good. It was 9 years I think. I still stash old EC12s when I find them (bought 2 today!) but I'll take a strong private barrel that is less than 12 over standard 12. It's all about the juice, not the number (so long as there is a number). 

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The Black Tot   
The Black Tot

Let's make HH a deal. 

 

They can take the age statement off of ECBP, if they'll also open it up for barrel picking.

 

Fair, right?

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Spade   
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3 hours ago, The Black Tot said:

Let's make HH a deal. 

 

They can take the age statement off of ECBP, if they'll also open it up for barrel picking.

 

Fair, right?

 

Sounds good to me. I think those would fly off the shelves. I think ideally something like Four Roses store picks would be cool — variable ages but the age listed on the bottle. I’d definitely trade that for seeing the current version of ECBP a few times a year.

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Jackinbox   
Jackinbox

I would imagine the OGD 114 rumor probably stems from the article earlier this year from Chuck Cowdery.  He obviously knows a lot of people at Beam and in the article from February he mentions that they would re-evaluate the fate of 114 in another year (article was from this February).

 

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html

 

I'm wondering if they are thinking they can discontinue it and bring out Basil Hayden Barrel Proof at $50-60/bottle.  Fred Noe loves to talk about the BH brand in interviews.  

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The Black Tot   
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JoeTerp   
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18 hours ago, Jackinbox said:

I would imagine the OGD 114 rumor probably stems from the article earlier this year from Chuck Cowdery.  He obviously knows a lot of people at Beam and in the article from February he mentions that they would re-evaluate the fate of 114 in another year (article was from this February).

 

http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2017/02/dont-cry-for-old-grand-dad-114.html

 

I'm wondering if they are thinking they can discontinue it and bring out Basil Hayden Barrel Proof at $50-60/bottle.  Fred Noe loves to talk about the BH brand in interviews.  

Sadly I think a barrel proof BH would be a lot higher.  The regular BH goes for around $45 here I think.

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DeltaAlphaVictorEasy   
DeltaAlphaVictorEasy

Here's one to file under : NOOOOOOO!

 

Well, hopefully it isn't true- I was phoning in an order from a shop out in SF, talking about their Four Roses Private Selection and he said that next year all 4R picks (not just theirs), regardless of recipe, will be bottled only at 100 proof, not barrel proof. Say it ain't so.

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Mako254   
Mako254
56 minutes ago, DeltaAlphaVictorEasy said:

Here's one to file under : NOOOOOOO!

 

Well, hopefully it isn't true- I was phoning in an order from a shop out in SF, talking about their Four Roses Private Selection and he said that next year all 4R picks (not just theirs), regardless of recipe, will be bottled only at 100 proof, not barrel proof. Say it ain't so.

 

This cant happen. 

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Kepler   
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14 hours ago, DeltaAlphaVictorEasy said:

Here's one to file under : NOOOOOOO!

 

Well, hopefully it isn't true- I was phoning in an order from a shop out in SF, talking about their Four Roses Private Selection and he said that next year all 4R picks (not just theirs), regardless of recipe, will be bottled only at 100 proof, not barrel proof. Say it ain't so.

 

13 hours ago, Mako254 said:

 

This cant happen. 

 

I would rather they fix the proof of their Private Select at 100 proof than continue to lower the age statements of said Private Selects, if forced to choose.

 

I recently sampled a 100 proof PS and it was superb.  Previously all of mine were barrel proof.

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The Black Tot   
The Black Tot

I head from a liquor store bourbon section manager that they were going to repeal the Bottled In Bond Act, and replace the 3 Tier system with an 8 Tier system. 

 

I also heard Willett was closing the distillery, selling all assets and donating the proceeds to the modern day temperance movement.

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lcpfratn   
lcpfratn

Several local liquor stores have also told me that they've been told they could only get 100 proof private selections from Four Roses. I have a feeling this may be a temporary thing because everyone that told me this has received or will be receiving OBSV 100 proof private selections like the standard Four Roses Single Barrel. I suspect that Four Roses has excess of that recipe right now and they are pushing that to reduce their inventory. Having said that, I've also seen some larger stores that buy a lot of Four a Roses products get cask strength private selections this summer.


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JoeTerp   
JoeTerp

I think the larger stores with longstanding relationships will be fine.  I'd imagine the big chains that routinely have all 10 recipes will still get some Private Selections.  My guess is that new demand will go towards the OBSV (although I'm not sure why they would care if you wanted it at Cask Strength or 100 proof since you need to purchase the whole barrel).

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