flahute Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 I was just listening to a podcast with Eddie Russell as one of the guests. He mentioned that WT101 is a batch of about 1500 barrels wheres RR10yr is a batch of about 150 barrels. File this away for the next discussion about batch sizes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 ^^ Thanks Steve, that is interesting. I love listening to what Eddie has to say. He isn't afraid to divulge information that we whiskey geeks love to learn about. Seems like his son is the say way. Ole Jimmy seems to prefer keeping things closer to the vest, which is fine too. As long at they keep making that WT juice the same as they always have, I'm good. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako254 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Which podcast? Eddie is doing special things at Turkey right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomLamb Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 10 hours ago, flahute said: I was just listening to a podcast with Eddie Russell as one of the guests. He mentioned that WT101 is a batch of about 1500 barrels wheres RR10yr is a batch of about 150 barrels. File this away for the next discussion about batch sizes. Cool! To me, this make RR10yr even more of a steal for the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Mako254 said: Which podcast? Eddie is doing special things at Turkey right now. I think it was Drinky Fun Time. I had come across a link on twitter if I recall and didn't have time to listen so I emailed it to myself and then let it sit on a tab on my browser for a couple months until I finally had time to listen. They were recording from Tales of The Cocktail which is in July and also had Fred Minnick on the show. This particular podcast appears to be wide reaching and is more about drinking with celebrities. It's not bourbon focused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokinjoe Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 hours ago, Mako254 said: Eddie is doing special things at Turkey right now. Don’t short him. The Russell’s have been doing special things for decades... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako254 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 5 minutes ago, smokinjoe said: Don’t short him. The Russell’s have been doing special things for decades... Correct. I should have been more clear. What Jimmy put out ‘back in the day’ is truly ‘beyond duplication’ but Eddie is making his own mark as well w/ 2002, Masters Keep. 2019 will see the return of single barrel, barrel proof, cask strength WT when Russsells will be available at cask strength. Eddie is maintaining what jimmy built and adding to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Mako254 said: 2019 will see the return of single barrel, barrel proof, cask strength WT when Russsells will be available at cask strength. Eddie is maintaining what jimmy built and adding to it. I wish they could convince Campari to let them lower the entry proof back where it used to be. Then they might be able to supplant Buffalo Trace and Four Roses at the top of the distiller food chain again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackinbox Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Here's another thread that I posted from a podcast interview with Eddie where he went into detail on all the ages of everything. I remember being surprised that their stuff was aged for so long when I heard it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 7 hours ago, Kepler said: I wish they could convince Campari to let them lower the entry proof back where it used to be. Then they might be able to supplant Buffalo Trace and Four Roses at the top of the distiller food chain again WT is already the top of the bourbon food chain for many including myself, I'm not sure they could surpass BT among the masses there is too much hype over too many of their products. For my tastes BT is probably a distant 5th among the big distillers as my preferences are WT, HH, Beam, Four Roses and then BT but I'm sure I'm very much in the minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, kevinbrink said: WT is already the top of the bourbon food chain for many including myself, I'm not sure they could surpass BT among the masses there is too much hype over too many of their products. For my tastes BT is probably a distant 5th among the big distillers as my preferences are WT, HH, Beam, Four Roses and then BT but I'm sure I'm very much in the minority. Not that it matters to us, but Four Roses or BT have been winning the 'best distiller' awards for awhile. Again we all know that it doesn't mean anything. I'm as big a turkey fan as anyone on this site, but even I freely acknowledge they haven't produced anything that can hang with GTS, WLW, or the 4R LE's from the late Rutledge era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kepler said: Not that it matters to us, but Four Roses or BT have been winning the 'best distiller' awards for awhile. Again we all know that it doesn't mean anything. I'm as big a turkey fan as anyone on this site, but even I freely acknowledge they haven't produced anything that can hang with GTS, WLW, or the 4R LE's from the late Rutledge era. I've never spent enough time with WLW to have a firm opinion but there are numerous RR SiB in my liquor cabinet that I prefer to GTS, which is not to say that it isn't a fantastic bourbon, it very much is but for me WT scratches an itch the others do not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, kevinbrink said: there are numerous RR SiB in my liquor cabinet that I prefer to GTS, That's a strong statement and I tip my hat. I love RR SiB but the only turkey I can say hangs with GTS are the really special stuff like the 2002 I tasted a week or so ago at a bar. And whereas GTS, WLW, and THH are produced reliably every year, the very best Turkey is more spotty and not something I can rely on unfortunately. It's easier to score a BTAC than to buy a RR2002. I truly love the old 12 year WT but that only reinforces my original thought that I hope WT regains its former glory fully Edited September 30, 2018 by Kepler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackinbox Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Kepler said: I wish they could convince Campari to let them lower the entry proof back where it used to be. Then they might be able to supplant Buffalo Trace and Four Roses at the top of the distiller food chain again Are you talking in terms of taste or in terms of sales? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 16 minutes ago, Jackinbox said: Are you talking in terms of taste or in terms of sales? if you know me then you know I'm not talking about sales. I'm referring to accolades because BT and 4R have been stealing most of the glory recently and unfortunately Wild Turkey seems to have taken a bit of a back seat in comparison to where they were, say 20 years ago in their heyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyfish Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 8 hours ago, Kepler said: I truly love the old 12 year WT but that only reinforces my original thought that I hope WT regains its former glory fully When you consider how deep the hole was that 4R dug themselves out of, there is always cause to hope that, like the South, WT shall rise again. Besides, WT does not have anywhere near as far to go as 4R did before Rutledge. 4R went from horrid to great. WT just has to go from great to even greater still. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 WT keeps the shelves stocked with great products at reasonable prices. The only WT item I would like to buy, but can not find is the 101 Rye. BT and 4R have some really nice products, and win some awards. But seriously, good luck finding any of that stuff. If you do find it $$$! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlutz Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 3 hours ago, PaulO said: The only WT item I would like to buy, but can not find is the 101 Rye. If you ever make it to the Baltimore/Washington area hit me up. We get WTR101 fairly regularly. If it’s not here when you’re here you can have one of mine. I’ll just replace it when I see it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomLamb Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, Charlutz said: If you ever make it to the Baltimore/Washington area hit me up. We get WTR101 fairly regularly. If it’s not here when you’re here you can have one of mine. I’ll just replace it when I see it. Same for western PA, we get it regularly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshani Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 On 9/29/2018 at 1:57 PM, Kepler said: I wish they could convince Campari to let them lower the entry proof back where it used to be. Then they might be able to supplant Buffalo Trace and Four Roses at the top of the distiller food chain again That wasn't Campari, that was Jimmy. Or Eddie, I forget which. The problem was that they had some warehouses where the barrels lost proof rather than gaining, and they had trouble for their 81 proof bottlings. The solution was barreling at 115 instead of 110, apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 10 hours ago, Flyfish said: When you consider how deep the hole was that 4R dug themselves out of, there is always cause to hope that, like the South, WT shall rise again. Besides, WT does not have anywhere near as far to go as 4R did before Rutledge. 4R went from horrid to great. WT just has to go from great to even greater still. 7 hours ago, PaulO said: WT keeps the shelves stocked with great products at reasonable prices. The only WT item I would like to buy, but can not find is the 101 Rye. BT and 4R have some really nice products, and win some awards. But seriously, good luck finding any of that stuff. If you do find it $$$! Both make good points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, shoshani said: That wasn't Campari, that was Jimmy. Or Eddie, I forget which. The problem was that they had some warehouses where the barrels lost proof rather than gaining, and they had trouble for their 81 proof bottlings. The solution was barreling at 115 instead of 110, apparently. I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. I assume that Campari would have to approve it if they ever wanted to go back (because it would result in decreased profits) but from you are saying the Russells wouldn't want to do that anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 5 hours ago, Kepler said: I didn't know that, thanks for sharing. I assume that Campari would have to approve it if they ever wanted to go back (because it would result in decreased profits) but from you are saying the Russells wouldn't want to do that anyway. I'm not sure about that. Let's dig a little deeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan1311 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 19 hours ago, Charlutz said: If you ever make it to the Baltimore/Washington area hit me up. We get WTR101 fairly regularly. If it’s not here when you’re here you can have one of mine. I’ll just replace it when I see it. I live in the area and all I see is the lower proof rye, (not that I've gone in an exhaustive search), but where are you finding the WTR101? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mako254 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 10 hours ago, flahute said: I'm not sure about that. Let's dig a little deeper. Eddie has said that Rare Breed was taking so many higher proof barrels they didn’t have enough to batch 101. Add in Russells at 110 and that accounts for a lot of 110 plus stock. He has said regarding the 80s 8/101 that average proof on a 1,300 barrel dump was 104 or 105. 101 was very close to cask strength, one of the reasons I think that it shines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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