Harry in WashDC Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, WhiskeyBlender said: @flahute, please excuse me while I mop up my drool off the floor. Wow, that must have been an amazing experience to have some OF directly from the barrel, out in the elements in the warehouse, pre-filtration and at cask strength. C'est tres delicieux! Yeah, well, my feeling on this is -- Given how hard it is to find an OF BB nowadays, who do I have to kill to get one of THESE? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, kevinbrink said: https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000381 I think we all know of a certain moderator who'll be all over this wheater 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 39 minutes ago, Vosgar said: I think we all know of a certain moderator who'll be all over this wheater I mean I believe his affinity is for Weller I thought clearly this is something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 minute ago, kevinbrink said: I mean I believe his affinity is for Weller I thought clearly this is something different. It's from BT, that's all he needs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted January 14, 2020 Author Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Vosgar said: It's from BT, that's all he needs In all seriousness considering that there is a 7 year age statement on the back of that bottle, it would be interesting to try it next to the Weller line, I think he (as well as many of us) would be happy to give it a go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 2 hours ago, WhiskeyBlender said: @flahute, please excuse me while I mop up my drool off the floor. Wow, that must have been an amazing experience to have some OF directly from the barrel, out in the elements in the warehouse, pre-filtration and at cask strength. C'est tres delicieux! That is an appropriate response! It's that good. There's something about Old Fo at that proof and NCF that far outshines what they insist on bottling it at. I may have had an empty plastic water bottle at the pick and I may have filled that bottle right out of the barrel and I may have nursed that for about a year after the pick. So excited to see them finally offer this. While doing that pick we hammered on Chris Morris pretty hard to make this available at BP. Happy to see him going to bat for the enthusiast. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Harry in WashDC said: Yeah, well, my feeling on this is -- Given how hard it is to find an OF BB nowadays, who do I have to kill to get one of THESE? It's entering the barrel program so hopefully it will be appearing at a barrel picking store near you sometime this year! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 And a little outfit in KY is putting out a few Kosher versions of their Bourbon, Wheated Bourbon and Rye Mashbills, I'm sure these will be of little interest outside of the Jewish Community (tongue firmly planted in cheek) https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000389 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000385 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000381Bet it’s a lot better than Manischewitz wine. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 10 hours ago, kevinbrink said: And a little outfit in KY is putting out a few Kosher versions of their Bourbon, Wheated Bourbon and Rye Mashbills, I'm sure these will be of little interest outside of the Jewish Community (tongue firmly planted in cheek) https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000389 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000385 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19340001000381 If I were a rich man, tweedy deedly dee dee dee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Shock n’yall, but I’ll more than likely be passing on the new BT wheater. Biba! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiskeyBlender Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 20 hours ago, flahute said: That is an appropriate response! It's that good. There's something about Old Fo at that proof and NCF that far outshines what they insist on bottling it at. I may have had an empty plastic water bottle at the pick and I may have filled that bottle right out of the barrel and I may have nursed that for about a year after the pick. So excited to see them finally offer this. While doing that pick we hammered on Chris Morris pretty hard to make this available at BP. Happy to see him going to bat for the enthusiast. @flahute, it just goes to show all the creative ways that empty water bottles can be used! Seriously, I hear you on the Old Fo at barrel strength and NCF. I'm not a fan of chill filtering for Bourbon, period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, fishnbowljoe said: Shock n’yall, but I’ll more than likely be passing on the new BT wheater. Biba! Joe Ah, you say that now, Joe; but, I have little faith that when the time comes, when it's right in front of you, and you actually must decide; "yes or no"; it might be a 'less than likely' proposition....... Just sayin'. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I showed this to my Jewish & observant buddies today and they all found this unsavory because 1) no one thinks that plain old bourbon (without a fancy wine finish) is non-kosher in the first place, so this is just like how people slap gluten-free on popcorn, 2) this may give rabbis ideas. Edit: this is what they said. Online there are others who think otherwise apparently. Edited January 15, 2020 by Kane 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Kane said: I showed this to my Jewish & observant buddies today and they all found this unsavory because 1) no one thinks that plain old bourbon (without a fancy wine finish) is non-kosher in the first place, so this is just like how people slap gluten-free on popcorn, 2) this may give rabbis ideas. Very far from the first kosher bourbon, the one I'm most familiar with in recent years is Old Williamsburg which came in both 7 Year 101 and 3 Year 80 proof. I know someone who is Orthodox and that is all he would buy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kane Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 6 minutes ago, kevinbrink said: Very far from the first kosher bourbon, the one I'm most familiar with in recent years is Old Williamsburg which came in both 7 Year 101 and 3 Year 80 proof. I know someone who is Orthodox and that is all he would buy. Angel's Envy also did smth similar before apparently. My friends are also Orthodox but they were genuinely surprised. What do I know, I was labeled a muslim at birth so I'm fckd however you look at it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, fishnbowljoe said: Shock n’yall, but I’ll more than likely be passing on the new BT wheater. Biba! Joe I'm calling bullshit on ya buddy . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Vosgar said: I'm calling bullshit on ya buddy . Yeah. And you’ve been drinking too much dark side. Biba! Joe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 hours ago, fishnbowljoe said: Shock n’yall, but I’ll more than likely be passing on the new BT wheater. Biba! Joe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 [mention=8946]flahute[/mention], it just goes to show all the creative ways that empty water bottles can be used! [emoji12] Seriously, I hear you on the Old Fo at barrel strength and NCF. I'm not a fan of chill filtering for Bourbon, period. Is there other barrel aged spirits where you think it’s good to chill filter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiskeyBlender Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 hours ago, HoustonNit said: Is there other barrel aged spirits where you think it’s good to chill filter? @HoustonNit, yes there are, but it really depends upon what you're trying to achieve and why. Generally, chill filtration has traditionally only be carried out for spirits that are bottled below 46% ABV in order to prevent hazing, but if there are too many fatty acids in a spirit, it can also be a way to remove some of these, as they can add an unwanted bitterness. Brandies are often good candidates for chill filtration. For brandies that have been distilled "sur lie," or on the lees, are being bottled at 46% ABV or below, and are on the younger side (say, 2 to 10 years old), it can help to do a chill filtration to help remove some of the fats and esters. When I worked at Germain-Robin, we almost always chill filtered, and the brandy still had plenty of mouth feel and viscosity. However, this process isn't really necessary for older brandies, as these fatty acids will have broken down more over time. BUT.....if too many fatty acids and esters are a problem, another technique you could use to remove those instead of chill filtration is to carefully pump the spirit out of the barrel, rather than dump it (i.e., a "racking system"). This will leave some sediment, lees, etc., behind in the barrel. You can do further racking in the stainless tank too, in order to remove more fatty acids. Does this help? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 [mention=12713]HoustonNit[/mention], yes there are, but it really depends upon what you're trying to achieve and why. Generally, chill filtration has traditionally only be carried out for spirits that are bottled below 46% ABV in order to prevent hazing, but if there are too many fatty acids in a spirit, it can also be a way to remove some of these, as they can add an unwanted bitterness. Brandies are often good candidates for chill filtration. For brandies that have been distilled "sur lie," or on the lees, are being bottled at 46% ABV or below, and are on the younger side (say, 2 to 10 years old), it can help to do a chill filtration to help remove some of the fats and esters. When I worked at Germain-Robin, we almost always chill filtered, and the brandy still had plenty of mouth feel and viscosity. However, this process isn't really necessary for older brandies, as these fatty acids will have broken down more over time. BUT.....if too many fatty acids and esters are a problem, another technique you could use to remove those instead of chill filtration is to carefully pump the spirit out of the barrel, rather than dump it (i.e., a "racking system"). This will leave some sediment, lees, etc., behind in the barrel. You can do further racking in the stainless tank too, in order to remove more fatty acids. Does this help? Excellent yes and makes perfect sense, thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 Waterfill and Frazier 100 Proof 5 Year old KSBW https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19352001000295 Old Elk Richardson Reserve https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19353001000762 This lablel has all sorts of problems a 14 year old SBW, no state of distillation and a name sure to piss off the SWA (Scotch Whisky Association) https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000522 Old Forester 150th at a couple different proofs https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000525 https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000539 Wilderness Trail Small Batch BIB https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20009001000539 Nathan Green 15 Year Barrel Proof "Premium Whiskey" https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19361001000292 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbstout Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 On 1/14/2020 at 5:18 PM, fishnbowljoe said: Shock n’yall, but I’ll more than likely be passing on the new BT wheater. Biba! Joe Why? I bet it would pair well with Matzo Ball Soup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted January 18, 2020 Share Posted January 18, 2020 7 hours ago, kevinbrink said: Waterfill and Frazier 100 Proof 5 Year old KSBW I love how the new Waterfill and Frazier label really draws on the brands history. The picture below is from an old miniature I have. If this new bottle actually get released, I may have to buy one just because of the label 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinbrink Posted January 19, 2020 Author Share Posted January 19, 2020 A new label for WT 101 that does away with the general statement of age, WT101 must be the most frequently refreshed packaging in all of bourbon https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000186 Master Picke Barrel Strength 13 year old MGP https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000170 Noteworthy KSBW from OZ Tyler https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000149 Maker's Mark Founders honoring Margie Samuels https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=20006001000090 Ole George Double Barrel 4 year old Rye from Grand Traverse https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19360001000349 A 4 year old Straight Malt from Montana https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19354001000862 A 100 Proof Straight Wheat distilled by MGP https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000572 And a 100 Proof MGP SBW https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19350001000563 Whistlepig is really upping the ante on the next Boss Hog packaging design https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=19355001000003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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