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FasterHorses

The most surprising observation is how many in this thread really dont like W12. Ive noticed at times it is a little thin at 90 and dont think its worth the hype it gets but never considered it bad. 

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kevinbrink
30 minutes ago, FasterHorses said:

The most surprising observation is how many in this thread really dont like W12. Ive noticed at times it is a little thin at 90 and dont think its worth the hype it gets but never considered it bad. 

Pretty much my thoughts works for most of the BT Wheated stuff though I was a buyer all day for OWA when it was gettable for under $25. I very much prefer HH Wheated Bourbons. 

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JvW
13 hours ago, Richnimrod said:

DUDE!!!!!  :o   I assume you're not including personally owned brands in this comment..... ;)

Love the ole Weller, Booker, an occasional GTS and my favorite Noah's Mill, but a good Speyside Scotch goes a long way for me. 

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HoustonNit

All BT products are overrated.

Barton standards recipe tastes like cheap blended Scotch.

JD isn’t bad and in context of the current market is priced well.


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bourbon4all
22 hours ago, fishnbowljoe said:

 Shame on you Jeff! :lol:  See ya' in a couple of months brother. ;)

 

Biba! Joe

 

PS. Yeah I know. I still have ugly carpet and I need to dust again. -_-

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Looks like there is room to add a shelf?

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fishnbowljoe
53 minutes ago, bourbon4all said:

Looks like there is room to add a shelf?

I had to take the shelf out in order to accommodate taller bottles. <_< Ditto with the opposing side of my cabinet. 

 

Biba! Joe

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flahute
10 hours ago, EarthQuake said:

BT's wheated mash bill / the entire Weller line is sub-par. WSR is crap. W12 is completely forgettable. OWA makes a good mixer and would be fine at $20 or less, but isn't good neat. WLW is one of the most overrated bourbons in the market, with the exception of Pappy (don't get me started). WLW would be okay at $40, but even then I've got about 30 open bottles I would rather drink. All things considered (hype, availability), there's just too much good to great whiskey out there to bother with any of these.

 

BT mash #2 is nothing special either. Blanton's is basic as hell and is more or less BT's version of Basil Hayden. ETL is solid but I have no idea why people go nuts for it. RHF is below average. I would rather drink any of these over Weller, but they all fall into the "only if the bar doesn't have anything good" category.

 

Rebel Yell 10 is better than anything Weller, including WLW. Ditto for VS Old Fitz 12.

 

An average Four Roses SiB store pick is as good or better than virtually every LE from all the major players.

 

EC small batch and ECBP are not very good. EC18 is solid but overpriced, doubly so for EC23.

 

Booker's isn't very good either. Beam needs 10+ years before it stops sucking, thus: most Beam products suck. Yellowstone tastes like Beam and sucks too. Little Book is the best thing Beam is doing these days.

 

Orphan barrel products are quite good overall and reasonably priced (at retail - see: Barterhouse for $80 vs EC18 for $140), with some being great (Lost Prophet). I even enjoyed Gifted Horse and Entrapment (though I wouldn't buy a bottle of either). I don't care about the marketing - Elijah Craig didn't invent bourbon or barrel charing but nobody whines about that nonsense.

 

I don't think you'll find many in disagreement about BT among those who have doing this a while. BT in general is just not as good or consistent as they used to be. They are too stretched. Apart from some good batches, Weller consistency is way down. Blanton's can still be great but can also be spit worthy. ETL was fantastic before it got hyped and back when Elmer was still involved in selecting barrels. I think WLW is still great at msrp given the current pricing structure in bourbon but there was one year (either 14 or 15, I don't remember) where I thought it was a hot mess.

 

I'm generally with you on Beam. I've been more disappointed with Booker's recently. My current bottle of Baker's which I usually love is tasting too young (which is weird because it does have an age statement). I'm not sure what's going on. Maybe I'm changing. 

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Vosgar
2 hours ago, AndyD said:

Beam signature 12 is the exact template that bourbon should smell and taste like.

A couple of years ago in Bardstown, Bourbonjoe's buddy Larry brought a bottle of this and offered me a drink. Not being a big Beam fan I politely turned him down but he insisted, so I tried it. Damn, it was good, really good. Being the nice guy Larry is, he even gave me what was left of the bottle to take home where I continued to enjoy it. When I stumbled across a bottle last summer I HAD to buy it. Maybe I just need Beam whiskey to be aged longer than most of their products usually are.

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Carnagusfarnbuckler

Ok, here I go...I like the following:

 

J.W. Dant Charcoal Perfected Old Style whisky (not the new blended stuff)

 

Old Crow

 

Rebel Yell

 

Zachariah Harris

 

Fitzgerald Prime

 

Cabin Still

 

Ancient Ancient Age 10 Star

 

These are just some that I see others knocking.  I do like the good ones also but I don't mind any of these form time to time.

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Carnagusfarnbuckler
16 hours ago, Mako254 said:

 

I cut my teeth on Dickel 12 sometime back. Haven’t visited it in a minute. 

 

 

Nothing wrong with any Dickel brand.

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Dannabis

I may or may not be ashamed to admit I've never spent more than $75 (pre-tax) on a bottle of liquor.

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Dannabis
21 minutes ago, Carnagusfarnbuckler said:

Nothing wrong with any Dickel brand.

How's that Tabasco Dickel taste?

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Dannabis
32 minutes ago, Vosgar said:

A couple of years ago in Bardstown, Bourbonjoe's buddy Larry brought a bottle of this and offered me a drink. Not being a big Beam fan I politely turned him down but he insisted, so I tried it. Damn, it was good, really good. Being the nice guy Larry is, he even gave me what was left of the bottle to take home where I continued to enjoy it. When I stumbled across a bottle last summer I HAD to buy it. Maybe I just need Beam whiskey to be aged longer than most of their products usually are.

When JB juice hits the 9 or ten year mark is when it seems to shine for me. The 9 year Kirkland bottling of JB juice that I drank through was very good drink. Granddad Bonded gets me real good too.

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dad-proof
13 hours ago, Clueby said:

I don't get the love that MGP bourbons get. Most SAOS, BM, etc. are just OK at best to me. I've never been wowed by one. Their rye is much better to me. I also am not a member of the 4R cult. A few recipes I will enjoy but most don't knock my socks off. F is probably my fave all around. Their LE products have been very good to great, though. The Al Young release had one of the greatest noses of all time.  I have high hopes for the new small batch select coming but I won't be surprised if it's not my thing.

Good post, Clueby. I feel mostly the same, and would add that standard RR10 is criminally neglected. I think it is worlds better than ER10 these days, and even at 90 proof is better than most barrels/batches of ECSB, Blanton's, and HMcK10.

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Dannabis
2 hours ago, HoustonNit said:

All BT products are overrated.

Barton standards recipe tastes like cheap blended Scotch.

JD isn’t bad and in context of the current market is priced well.

 

I am pretty impressed with the wide availability and high quality of JD products, specificly the SiB Barrel Proof which I generally like a lot for 60$ getting decent but not overwhelming banana/banana peel, cinnamon, wood char, and some burnt sugar flavors.  I struggle to find any of my sought after bottles and at the same price or less is JD Sib Barrel Proof at almost every store.

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smokinjoe

Generally speaking, my wayward opinions are:

-Weller 12, 4R SmB, and MGP are the only bourbons that I’m not fond of, that seem to be more appreciated by the majority.  In order, astringent and sooty, thin and without character, and bland with a touch of boredom.  Though, I do think MGP bourbons can make for a good blending component and “other-Cask finish” well.  

-4R as a distillery has really walked backwards in the “love” factor, as compared to all the other legacy Distilleries.  Once the darling of the industry, I feel Jim Rutledge’s exit has left a void larger than what was his own presence. Brent Elliott does not seem to have the right stuff.  

-The bourbon blogosphere continues to reach new lows of content deficiency, and self and cross promotion of themselves and each other.  They spend more time pimping each other, than actually saying anything of merit.  “You’re great.”  “No, you’re great.”  “Wait, we’re all great!”  When they’re not doing that, they’re bitching about Pappy and Secondary, then write and talk about...the latest Pappy and Secondary news.

-I don’t accept the idea that early “airtime” in the bottle has any discernible effect on bourbon, especially an effect of making an “undrinkable” bourbon somehow “delicious”.  

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Dannabis
21 hours ago, Kepler said:

Talk about confessions, Lol

I had a 9 year old higher proof edition, purchased at BayWay Liquors in NJ and it was actually pretty good. Pretty different than other bourbons, not my go to pour, but she was a good drink.

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EarthQuake
1 hour ago, Dannabis said:

I may or may not be ashamed to admit I've never spent more than $75 (pre-tax) on a bottle of liquor.

Nothing to be ashamed about there, few are honestly worth more than $100 or so if we're talking about what is in the bottle vs hype / brand.

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EarthQuake
2 hours ago, flahute said:

I don't think you'll find many in disagreement about BT among those who have doing this a while. BT in general is just not as good or consistent as they used to be. They are too stretched. Apart from some good batches, Weller consistency is way down. Blanton's can still be great but can also be spit worthy. ETL was fantastic before it got hyped and back when Elmer was still involved in selecting barrels. I think WLW is still great at msrp given the current pricing structure in bourbon but there was one year (either 14 or 15, I don't remember) where I thought it was a hot mess.

 

I'm generally with you on Beam. I've been more disappointed with Booker's recently. My current bottle of Baker's which I usually love is tasting too young (which is weird because it does have an age statement). I'm not sure what's going on. Maybe I'm changing. 

Yeah most of the releases I've tried have been in the last 2-3 years, so perhaps 10 or 20 years ago the some of these lines had a lot better stock in them? That would certainly make sense.

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Carnagusfarnbuckler
2 hours ago, Dannabis said:

How's that Tabasco Dickel taste?

You know to be honest I did not even know they had that one.  I have not tried it.

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AndyD
3 hours ago, Vosgar said:

A couple of years ago in Bardstown, Bourbonjoe's buddy Larry brought a bottle of this and offered me a drink. Not being a big Beam fan I politely turned him down but he insisted, so I tried it. Damn, it was good, really good. Being the nice guy Larry is, he even gave me what was left of the bottle to take home where I continued to enjoy it. When I stumbled across a bottle last summer I HAD to buy it. Maybe I just need Beam whiskey to be aged longer than most of their products usually are.

 

I took a trip recently to Wisconsin Dells (about 4 hours away), and there’s a liquor store there that I like.  Real cool owner.  Naturally being a tourist area, the lower end mixers are way too expensive.  But they have a good higher end selections and occasionally your harder to find bourbons .

 

found a case of 12 year beam signature on the shelf and bought the whole thing.  Also some quarter cask, but that’s not as good.

 

now, I’m not saying it’s the *best* , or most unique, but it certainly stands out for me.  If they took the signature 12 year and then finished in various casks (like BM), that was be a real treat.

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Whiskeythink.com

Willet rye is not that good. Maybe some of the older ones (never had), but 3 & 4 yr is blah.

 

BT makes several that are kinda boring, one-trick ponies with little complexity, namely W12 & ER. Blantons, RHF, EHT can be good, but are generally overrated & overpriced. Of course these pale in comparison to the ridiculousness of pappy.

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mbroo5880i

Interesting thread.  I have enjoyed reading through it.  All of my opinions about bourbon are popular...with me.

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fosmith
6 hours ago, fishnbowljoe said:

I had to take the shelf out in order to accommodate taller bottles. <_< Ditto with the opposing side of my cabinet. 

 

Biba! Joe

I hate those tall bottles (I'm talking about you, Col. Taylor) that seem to be so popular these days.  They won't fit in my liquor cabinet, dammit!  <_<

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evasive
I enjoy Scotch over Bourbon...never thought I would say that.  Sorry!!!


I opened a Bowmore 12 last night and confirmed that if I had to pick one whisk(e)y for the rest of time, that’s the one.

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