4 Roses expansion

[Josh]

Any more 4 Roses sightings? Should be in Ohio soon from what I was told back in June. Um, especially reply if you have seen some in Toledo :grin:

[ThomasH]

Hopefully sooner than later. Ohio needs some new blood in its bourbon section!

Thomas

[OscarV]

Any more 4 Roses sightings?

Um, especially reply if you have seen some in Toledo :grin:

Yeah good idea Josh, I doubt MI will see it during this current 15 state expansion. Canadian's own a huge market share here that is real tough to break into and that could discourage them, especially if they can move it fast in others states.

[callmeox]

On my tour just before KBF, I was told "next year". A week later, my friend was told "soon", so it looks like it will be some time between soon and next year.

[bigtoys]

Hope you get it soon. It's good stuff. Just got the Binny's select barrels 1 and 3.

[MJL]

I saw and bought my first example of Four Roses Yellow Label today in Southern Florida. I was able to get a seller to make a special order of the Small Batch and Single Barrel but now I am begining to see the regular stuff trickle in. I like the new Four Roses a lot but I keep hearing the old Four Roses of the 1960s was not great booze. I do not know about that but I do know that Four Roses is very much the ticket for me.

[callmeox]

Here's my ham and egger version of the Four Roses brand history:

At one point (the 40's?) it was the most popular whiskey brand in the US of A. Seagrams got their dirty mitts on it and changed it from a straight whiskey to a blend since that was their specialty and it faded into oblivion in the US market.

I'm thinking that the 60's version that you speak of was the blend and from what I've read, it earned its poor reputation.

[ThomasH]

Four Roses Bourbon was turned into an export only brand around 1957. From then until 2002, only Four Roses blended was sold in the US. When Kirin purchased Four Roses in 2002, The blend was discontinued and FR bourbon was again sold in the US, initially in Ky. and Indiana so that employees of FR could at least buy the product they were making. It has since snowballed from those beginnings!

Thomas

[smokinjoe]

Just returned from my neighborhood liquor store, and to my disbelief, there it was! Regular, Small Batch, and Single Barrel on the shelf. It's hit Georgia.

Actually, though, a bittersweet moment. I travel out of state frequently, and have been able to get as much of these as I want. And, I have taken some personal satisfaction in giving the unknown 4RSB's out as gifts for the last couple of years. Now, anybody can get them...I don't feel so special anymore... Boo Hoo. Sniff Sniff Nah, this is a great thing. Congrats, Four Roses and Jim Rutledge on getting your great product to another state. The Georgia Bourbon Society has been spreading your good name around for some time, now. I'm sure you'll be a hit here. I am sufficiently stocked, but I bought one of each today anyway, to show my support. Just don't anybody go tellin' Mrs. Smokinjoe........Oh crap, I charged it...

[MJL]

I have a similar experience. I have gone out of my way to hit Kentucky that few summer vacations so I can load up on Four Roses. I reckon we will still be visiting Kentucky but I will be buying my Four Roses down the street.

[MJL]

Here's my ham and egger version of the Four Roses brand history:

At one point (the 40's?) it was the most popular whiskey brand in the US of A. Seagrams got their dirty mitts on it and changed it from a straight whiskey to a blend since that was their specialty and it faded into oblivion in the US market.

I'm thinking that the 60's version that you speak of was the blend and from what I've read, it earned its poor reputation.

I can't get my Father-in-law to try Four Roses. He grew up in Marshall, Michigan during the 1940s/50s and insists that it was gut rot when he was in his twenties and just can not have gotten better. He is coming over for supper soon so I may try to slip him some! Like I said Four Roses is excellent Bourbon and really sits well on my palate. Good stuff, particularly the Single Barrel.

[shoshani]

I can't get my Father-in-law to try Four Roses. He grew up in Marshall, Michigan during the 1940s/50s and insists that it was gut rot when he was in his twenties and just can not have gotten better. He is coming over for supper soon so I may try to slip him some! Like I said Four Roses is excellent Bourbon and really sits well on my palate. Good stuff, particularly the Single Barrel.

After the war, Four Roses (like several previously good whiskeys such as Green River and Mount Vernon Rye) became a blended whiskey in the US market. It's entirely possible that your father-in-law never in his life tasted the 90-proof blend of straight whiskeys that was Four Roses from the end of Prohibition until the mid 1940s.

[Josh]

Four Roses Bourbon was turned into an export only brand around 1957. From then until 2002, only Four Roses blended was sold in the US. When Kirin purchased Four Roses in 2002, The blend was discontinued and FR bourbon was again sold in the US, initially in Ky. and Indiana so that employees of FR could at least buy the product they were making. It has since snowballed from those beginnings!

Thomas

Is it still sold in Ind.? If so, where?

[gblick]

I just saw some Four Roses (Small Batch & Single Barrell) today at the downtown Spec's store in Houston. The Small Batch is $26.XX, and the Single Barrell is $35.XX (cash prices). The guy told me they got it in last week.

[CajunKY]

Four Roses just went into Louisiana and Texas a few weeks ago, Glazier is the distributor (at least for Louisiana). Talking with Al and Jim today they plan to be in 35 states by September.

[DeanSheen]

It just so happens I inquired last week about where 4R is in the states with the reply below.

Ohio would be nice.......

~DS

Currently in Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida,

Georgia, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts,

Minnesota, Missouri, New York, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina,

Texas, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.

[doubleblank]

Imagine that....Glazier is the distributor for Texas. Oh, that's right, Republic is controlled by the sister of the owner of Sazerac....owner of BT.

Randy

[cowdery]

As I understand it, Glazier and Republic are it as far as Texas is concerned, the only significant distributors.

[independant]

It just so happens I inquired last week about where 4R is in the states with the reply below.

Ohio would be nice.......

~DS

Currently in Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Florida,

Georgia, Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Louisiana, Massachusetts,

Minnesota, Missouri, New York, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina,

Texas, Wisconsin, and North Carolina.

Virginia also just started carrying the small batch this last month. It is listed at 34.99. A little high for me. I fear at that price it will not fly off the shelves and we will not get the yellow label or the single barrel.

[doubleblank]

Yep Chuck, Glazier and Republic are the only significant distributors of liquor in Texas. The sarcasm was directed at Republic.....they essentially own BT.....there was no way they would get the distribution rights to FR. Thankfully we have many smaller distributors of wine......they add a lot to our wine "diversity" here.

Randy

[CajunKY]

The 2009 Limited Edition Four Roses bottles will be out in a couple of weeks. So if your state is carrying Four Roses you may want to have your local store see if they can get any in for you. Its gonna be nice.

[wadewood]

As I understand it, Glazier and Republic are it as far as Texas is concerned, the only significant distributors.

[cowdery]

Yep Chuck, Glazier and Republic are the only significant distributors of liquor in Texas. The sarcasm was directed at Republic.....they essentially own BT.....there was no way they would get the distribution rights to FR. Thankfully we have many smaller distributors of wine......they add a lot to our wine "diversity" here.

Randy

But Randy, that's impossible (wink wink) since cross-ownership is illegal in the three-tier system.

The Johnson and Phillips families (all related to each other) have the same deal going in Minnesota, one side of the family owns the producer, the other side owns the distributor, and never the twain shall meet? Right.

[GregSVT]

Looks like 4 Roses is now available at my local store! I've been waiting for this for years. Small Batch is $29 and Single Barrel is $39.

I told a Republic rep that they needed to get 4R into Texas last year at a cigar event.

[cowdery]

Texas was, I'm sure, a high priority because it's a good state for bourbon in general but it's so big they really needed to make sure they had enough supply to support it. I don't know how many big states are still unserved. Are they in California? If they're expecting to be up to 35 by September, and if all of the big states are covered, then they should be able to get to 50 pretty quickly next year.