Calling all Old Fitz experts

[birdman1099]

I picked up a couple bottles of Old Fitz BIB today and would like some clarification.

I have 2 bottles with DSP 16 (which I know is SW) and bottled at DSP 24. The date on the bottom is 94. so, I am assuming that these are SW stock during the Bermheim era. but DSP 24 is not Bernheim. Who bottled this? and is there any other info you can give on this?

Also,

I found a 1.75 liter of Old Fitz BIB with only DSP 16 on it (no bottled at )

but the date on the bottom is 95. well after the sale to Bernheim. Where do you suppose this was bottled? and why is it not listed?

Thanks in advance !!!!

[StraightBoston]

No first hand knowledge, but I found a hint in [thread=180]this thread[/thread] (see the third reply.)

[barturtle]

DSP-24 is Glenmore in Owensboro. At one time owned by UDV, it was later used by Charles Medley. This may even be the one recently sold to Angostura.

[birdman1099]

Thanks for the info so far. What about the 1.75 that has no "bottled at" since we are sure it was not bottled at 16????

[spun_cookie]

It may have been. Could have been one of the last bottelings or just last of the labels...

[mozilla]

Like Timothy said, UDV owned all of those plants at the same time. Owensboro had a state of the art bottling line and plenty of warehouses...so, UDV used them for much of their bottling in those days. SW has a bottling line as well. It is just not as big as Owensboro. I don't believe that Bernheim has a bottling line...I could be mistaken, though.

IIRC, Barton now owns the Owensboro facility.

[BourbonJoe]

I don't believe that Bernheim has a bottling line...I could be mistaken, though.

IIRC, Barton now owns the Owensboro facility.

I think that Bernheim bottles up at Heaven Hill. They take their stuff up there in tankers.

Joe :usflag:

[mozilla]

HH barrels, warehouses and bottles at Bardstown.

I don't believe that Bernheim has ever had a bottling line. Though, I am not fully positive of that.

[boone]

HH barrels, warehouses and bottles at Bardstown.

Before the cistern room was built (not long ago) all new make was barrelled at Bernheim and then warehoused in Bardstown. Brandy (Christian Brother's) was tanked in from California to Bardstown...filled at Heaven Hill and then trucked to Bernheim for storage. This is no longer the case. They barrel at both facilities.

Transition of stock...I was label machine operator when we bought Old Fitz. I remember when that label came up. I had to make positive the DSP matched my paper's. On occasion, with bottling place transition, the julian date was manditory. A jet date was on each and every bottle until old stock labels were used up...

Knowing bottle types is key factor in where that bottle came from. I always kept a eye out for the right bottle until all the old stock was used up. At one time we had the old UD/Seagrams/HH (round)...all of them look nearly identical.

For example...Buffalo Trace bottled the drum for HH, for little while. Knowing the difference between older drum bottles and today's drum (nearly identical) the bottle date is most helpful but it's not on all botlles. :grin: ...Brown Foreman did the carry pack till we made upgrades to handle plastic 750....Soooooooooooooooo...getting a exact "bottled at" can be a bit tricky :grin: till ya know what to look for, on some bottlings :grin: The list goes on...

Bettye Jo

[cowdery]

DSP-24 is Glenmore in Owensboro. At one time owned by UDV, it was later used by Charles Medley. This may even be the one recently sold to Angostura.

Not quite.

There are two adjacent but separate plants there and Glenmore used to own both of them. The larger of the two has not had a distillery on the premises for many years but it has a modern bottling house and warehouses. Barton owns it now. After United bought Glenmore they moved the bottling equipment at Fitzgerald to Owensboro and did all of their bottling there. That's DSP-24.

The other plant there is the one with the distillery. It also has some warehouses but not, to my knowledge, a bottling line. Diageo sold that one to Charles Medley, who had been the hired hand there under Glenmore and briefly under United. He never fired up the stills again. That is the plant Angostura now owns.

[barturtle]

I'll admit, Cecil's book is a bit confusing on the issue...

[cowdery]

I'll admit, Cecil's book is a bit confusing on the issue...

Sam's book is confusing on a lot of issues.

The plant Barton owns, the one with the bottling house, is the one Sam calls "R. Monarch" and also "Glenmore Distilling Co., RD #24."

He talks about the "Medley portion," which is a reference to the distillery he calls "Sour Mash Distilling Co., RD #12" and also "Medley Distilling Co., RD #49."

To confuse it even more, Sam says that Charlie applied for and received DSP-10 for that plant, because that was the number used by Charlie's grandfather at a completely different distillery, which Sam misidentifies as Daviess County but is actually, also according to Sam, the old Hill & Perkins, Rock Spring place.