The Black Tot Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 As others have said, glad to read about the GTS, since it's my fave of the BTAC. Happy to read we didn't have any 80% evaporation tragedies apart from ER17 this year. Proofs are way down this year, not that I mind - perfectly happy when they're in the 120s. In fact I'm always happy when they're under 140 since my life is easier when they can be taken legally on planes. Don't care much about the new Saz18 or the current ER17 (it would be a different story if they released either at barrel proof like GTS or WLW, but...), so this year has really gone my way! Long may numbers like this continue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 Was just going to post the above, maybe I can actually score a WLW or Stagg with those numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSkyDrams Posted September 20, 2017 Share Posted September 20, 2017 I was fortunate enough to snag a bottle from each of the last two releases at relatively close to MSRP, selected from my favorite LS's waiting list (I think they must've given me a few stars by my name or something for being a regular). Seeing the increased numbers, here's hoping I snag another this year! But, the only ones I would consider paying a premium above MSRP for are the WLW and GTS . . . even then, I have my limits, and they're not very high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob_Loblaw Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2019 BTAC info is out. Not sure what is allowed as far as posting a link so I will refrain. But its on Breaking Bourbon and generally the same information all over the place if you google "2019 Buffalo Trace Antique." However, thus far I am not seeing any information regarding number of barrels for each release and thus no estimated # of bottles either. . . Most noticeable for me is that this years Stagg is only 116pf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bob_Loblaw said: Most noticeable for me is that this years Stagg is only 116pf! Yeah! I saw that, too. Could be sublime whiskey... rich and thick, with scads of flavor, a lovely nose, a wide and deep profile; but, GTS has been those things most of the time at rather higher ABV and, as far as I've ever heard... nobody complained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Richnimrod said: Yeah! I saw that, too. Could be sublime whiskey... rich and thick, with scads of flavor, a lovely nose, a wide and deep profile; but, GTS has been those things most of the time at rather higher ABV and, as far as I've ever heard... nobody complained. The proof hounds complain when Stagg is less than 130 proof. I’m hoping this especially low proof keeps more of them away. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 The 2019 BTAC info is available on the BT website. As Bob posted, nothing was mentioned about the number of bottles from each offering this year. Hmmmmm. Biba! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Definite hmmm on the not including barrel count this year. The all of a sudden lack of transparency is troubling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, HoustonNit said: Definite hmmm on the not including barrel count this year. The all of a sudden lack of transparency is troubling. As far as I know, there are no rules requiring them to give out that information. In the past, when they did so, I thought that it was an added plus. True we’ve grown used to having this information over the years, but condemning BT for a lack of transparency is a bit much IMHO. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted September 20, 2019 Share Posted September 20, 2019 Joe I find it odd that this year they decide to not provide barrel counts, curious what the reason or reasons would be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I think that maybe a check of the news archives on the BT website might be in order. Here we go. The first mention of the BTAC was back in 2011. There was no mention of any numbers of any kind. There was no BTAC info at all for 2012. In 2013, no mention of any numbers. For 2014-2019, the only mention of any numbers at all was with the number of barrels of GTS. That’s all there is. I understand that people at other bourbon websites & blogs have their own contacts and sources where they get their information. It isn’t beyond reason for them to get different and/or more info before it becomes common knowledge, and then post it. Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshall9779 Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 From what I have heard BB just takes the number of barrels and accounts for the evaporation loss to guesstimate the number of bottles. Hard to do though without the number of barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richnimrod Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 For me at least, the only tangible result of Saz/BT publishing the quantities for national distribution is the ginning up of even more hype for those brands seen as 'more limited' because of the smaller number of bottles. Does anyone see this as some kind of benefit, because I do not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 14 hours ago, HoustonNit said: Definite hmmm on the not including barrel count this year. The all of a sudden lack of transparency is troubling. Your BT hard-on is showing again.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 Your BT hard-on is showing again..........Haha I can’t deny this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonNit Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 I think that maybe a check of the news archives on the BT website might be in order. Here we go. The first mention of the BTAC was back in 2011. There was no mention of any numbers of any kind. There was no BTAC info at all for 2012. In 2013, no mention of any numbers. For 2014-2019, the only mention of any numbers at all was with the number of barrels of GTS. That’s all there is. I understand that people at other bourbon websites & blogs have their own contacts and sources where they get their information. It isn’t beyond reason for them to get different and/or more info before it becomes common knowledge, and then post it. JoeCome on Joe I think since at least 2006 they’ve been listing the number of barrels selected with each bottle in the collection on the press release fact sheets prior to distributing. https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/antique-collection#2You said Hmm in your post as if you where also curious why after many years of doing so they would stop? I agreed with you I find this odd as well. Why do we think they would stop listing number of barrels after providing this information for so many years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishnbowljoe Posted September 21, 2019 Share Posted September 21, 2019 5 hours ago, HoustonNit said: Come on Joe I think since at least 2006 they’ve been listing the number of barrels selected with each bottle in the collection on the press release fact sheets prior to distributing. https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/brands/antique-collection#2 You said Hmm in your post as if you where also curious why after many years of doing so they would stop? I agreed with you I find this odd as well. Why do we think they would stop listing number of barrels after providing this information for so many years? I see you checked out their website. Good job. I totally forgot they posted the BTAC fact sheets in their bourbons section. My bad. Did you happen to check out the news archives that I mentioned? https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/BUFFALOTRACEDISTILLERYRELEASES2011ANTIQUECOLLECTION.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2013 News Rls FINAL 8-21-13.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2014 News Rls FINAL 9-4-14.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2015 News Rls 8-4-15 FINAL.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2016 News Rls 9-1-16.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection News Rls - final.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2018 News Rls 8-29-18.pdf https://www.buffalotracedistillery.com/sites/default/files/Antique Collection 2019 News Rls FINAL 9-5-19.pdf To quote the lyrics from a Stephen Stills song, "Nobody's right if everybody's wrong." Biba! Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmossle Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 On 9/20/2019 at 5:38 PM, HoustonNit said: Definite hmmm on the not including barrel count this year. The all of a sudden lack of transparency is troubling. Agreed. I am guessing the lower proof had a quick run in with the water truck on its way to the bottling line this year and thus the lower proof. I'm sure it is fantastic as usual and I would grab as many as I can, but something seems off since they didn't release the barrel count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 3 hours ago, elmossle said: Agreed. I am guessing the lower proof had a quick run in with the water truck on its way to the bottling line this year and thus the lower proof. I'm sure it is fantastic as usual and I would grab as many as I can, but something seems off since they didn't release the barrel count. Huh? Most of the barrels came from lower floors. That explains the proof. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmossle Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 21 hours ago, flahute said: Huh? Most of the barrels came from lower floors. That explains the proof. Only if you believe what they are selling. Could most of the barrels be from the lower floors and thus the lower proof, absolutely. But I have my doubts. In this hyped up world we live in, they will say anything to get people to believe what they are pushing as a story or marketing tactic. Not that they need to do any marketing for the BTAC line, but I'm not convinced they wouldn't add a few drops of water to help the bottle count and drive a large profit. I truly hope my theory is dead wrong, but we know how crazy the bourbon market is these days and the lengths people will go to cash in. Maybe BT has finally decided to do the same. Just my $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flahute Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 14 minutes ago, elmossle said: Only if you believe what they are selling. Could most of the barrels be from the lower floors and thus the lower proof, absolutely. But I have my doubts. In this hyped up world we live in, they will say anything to get people to believe what they are pushing as a story or marketing tactic. Not that they need to do any marketing for the BTAC line, but I'm not convinced they wouldn't add a few drops of water to help the bottle count and drive a large profit. I truly hope my theory is dead wrong, but we know how crazy the bourbon market is these days and the lengths people will go to cash in. Maybe BT has finally decided to do the same. Just my $.02 You are venturing into tin foil hat territory here. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soberiquet Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 6 hours ago, elmossle said: Only if you believe what they are selling. Could most of the barrels be from the lower floors and thus the lower proof, absolutely. But I have my doubts. In this hyped up world we live in, they will say anything to get people to believe what they are pushing as a story or marketing tactic. Not that they need to do any marketing for the BTAC line, but I'm not convinced they wouldn't add a few drops of water to help the bottle count and drive a large profit. I truly hope my theory is dead wrong, but we know how crazy the bourbon market is these days and the lengths people will go to cash in. Maybe BT has finally decided to do the same. Just my $.02 Why would they do something illegal to cash in when they could simply raise MSRP and still easily sell all the bottles instantly? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geclbxf Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 They could double MSRP and a bottle would not sit even a second longer on the shelf (assuming a bottle ever gets there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Watering it down... seriously? Did I somehow just magically log onto some noob FB bourbon page, by accident?:0 I realize that for some folks this may a bit of a shocking revelation, but I don't think that Buffalo Trace is going to live or die by the number of BTAC collection bottles sold this year. Now I have to go turn my antennae away from this alternative universe, so we can get back to regularly scheduled programming! Carry on! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vosgar Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 To plagiarize a bit from our political arena, there appears to be a number of people on this site with BTDS, Buffalo Trace Derangement Syndrome 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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