Be your own Gillman

[jburlowski]

Talked to Jay at the Party Source today. He says they just got in two selected single barrels (barrel-proof) of FR made with the "K" yeast. He says the plan is to get two new barrels every couple of months until they have offered all the FR yeast varieties. Then customers can make their own "Mariage".

Sounds like it could be fun!

[Josh]

Talked to Jay at the Party Source today. He says they just got in two selected single barrels (barrel-proof) of FR made with the "K" yeast. He says the plan is to get two new barrels every couple of months until they have offered all the FR yeast varieties. Then customers can make their own "Mariage".

Sounds like it could be fun!

That's wicked awesome.:grin: I'd love to get a piece of that action.

[cowdery]

Jay is the coolest retailer. (Sorry, Binny's.)

[MarkEdwards]

A modest proposal, without all the darn cannibalism - we need a bourbon equivalent of Linux; an open source bourbon on which you can learn to be a master distiller in the privacy of your own rickhouse. Sure, it's illegal, but how else will the common man learn to be a master distiller without years of chemical engineering?

Also, I wonder if the female counterpart would be a mistress distiller (grinning, ducking and running)...

[Gillman]

Well, a thread I must (and am happy) to respond to. SB retirement is tough.

Thanks for the nod via the thread title. I'm with all you guys: this is great. Jay Erisman indeed is a creative and enterprising businessperson. I've had the pleasure of meeting him more than once and benefiting from his recommendations. I hope to see him again shortly.

The good news is, mingling and blending bourbons is not rocket science. It is doable with the commercial products that are discussed daily here, whether from one distillery or two or many.

Gary

[Rughi]

Talked to Jay at the Party Source today. He says they just got in two selected single barrels (barrel-proof) of FR made with the "K" yeast. He says the plan is to get two new barrels every couple of months until they have offered all the FR yeast varieties. Then customers can make their own "Mariage".

Sounds like it could be fun!

For anyone interested in the recipes Four Roses offers, there's some reference in this thread.

Party Source had that idea too, that's great.

Our first Four Roses Barrel Proof (available in about another week at Ledger's Liquors in Berkeley) is the OBSK High Rye/ Spicy Yeast combo. If sales permit, we'll do our second bottling of FR (fifth Study Group / Ledgers bottling) by Thanksgiving.

Roger

[sailor22]

A great idea. Just wish the Party Source could ship.

I keep thinking if he was in a state that allowed him to ship his sales would sky rocket. Surprised someone hasn't hired him away to do this sort of thing at a shop that could sell nation wide.

[Gillman]

I'll give you an example of how I do the "same" thing with no access likely to these products. (Thus, it isn't the same but is the same idea). I mingled Bulleit, which is made I understand at Four Roses - its nose and taste certainly suggest that - with Four Roses 120th Anniversary. It's probably 3 or 4 of those base whiskeys, mingled to give a different result.

Or you could do Four Roses and FR Single Barrel.

Each of these tends to a floral, spicy/cinnamon or candy-like character. Where one predominates it may make sense to mingle it with another from the same place.

That is an example of doing like with like (relatively). EWSB and any other Heaven Hill bourbon would be another example. Set the smooth and rich against the younger and feistier or older and more smoky. Or all 3 traits can be combined in one mingling.

I was just reading, I think in Malt Advocate magazine, where a distiller said they mingle the top floors and lower of their whiskey. The top tiers are the drier, richer tastes, the lower can be relatively mild. Combining makes for a balanced palate. Makes sense once the building blocks (the kinds of whiskeys, their characteristics, proofs, etc.) are understood, which most do who regularly participate here. It's not that complicated and can be extended to a cross-distillery blending which is just an extension of the same idea.

It is not new, not hard to do.

Gary

[Gillman]

Incidentally I have been following the vatting thread that has been going for some time. So it is evident to me many SB-ers get this and more than that, are really good at it. That mingling of Rare Breed and WT RR 90 (I think it was) makes great sense and I can see that it might end up like 101. I think 101 might be prepared in a similar way (combining 6 and 8 year old whiskeys I believe). Doing it with Rare Breed might be even better since RB has some 12 year old bourbon in it and RR is 10, again this from memory.

Gary

[ggilbertva]

Talked to Jay at the Party Source today. He says they just got in two selected single barrels (barrel-proof) of FR made with the "K" yeast. He says the plan is to get two new barrels every couple of months until they have offered all the FR yeast varieties. Then customers can make their own "Mariage".

Sounds like it could be fun!

That's a pretty neat thing to do. Sounds like Jay is a true enthusiast and knows what his customers want. I'm having a tasting this weekend and it's been somewhat difficult trying to find single barrel offerings with different recipes. I've managed to find OBSV, OESQ and OESO so I've at least got a little to play with after the tasting and try some vatting of my own.

[fishnbowljoe]

Jay showed up at the KBF/gazebo Saturday night. He brought a few goodies along. For some strange reason, I can't quite remember what they were. :skep: Got to chat with him for a couple minutes. Seems like a really great guy. His plans for the Four Roses single barrels is very interesting to say the least. Sounds like a winner to me. Joe

[Josh]

Jay showed up at the KBF/gazebo Saturday night. He brought a few goodies along. For some strange reason, I can't quite remember what they were. :skep: Got to chat with him for a couple minutes. Seems like a really great guy. His plans for the Four Roses single barrels is very interesting to say the least. Sounds like a winner to me. Joe

Was that stripey shirt guy? I think he brought some private bottle 4R Barrel Strength.

I didn't get a chance to talk to him much. What were the plans exactly?

[callmeox]

The FR barrel strength program is available to a large group of retailers and really isn't Jay's idea or Brett's idea.

If I had to guess, I would say that it is Jim Rutledge's idea.

I believe that just 8 of the 10 recipes are available now as the other 2 have not attained the proper age yet.

[cowdery]

Was that stripey shirt guy? I think he brought some private bottle 4R Barrel Strength.

I didn't get a chance to talk to him much. What were the plans exactly?

Yes, Jay was wearing a blue and white vertically-striped shirt.

He would like to get all ten 4R bourbon recipes on to the market at various ages.

[Rughi]

Yes, Jay was wearing a blue and white vertically-striped shirt.

He would like to get all ten 4R bourbon recipes on to the market at various ages.

Currently, Four Roses is only making 8 available for the Barrel Strength program. I didn't inquire when we selected our first barrel when/if the other two would come on line.

Roger