Where is the Stagg

[birdman1099]

I was under the impression that there were more Stagg bottles produced this year than any other year.... So I thought I will be able to snag a few.

Well, where the hell are they????:skep:

Every town I have been in is sold out......

Are you seeing any???

[TomH]

Scott, you're right that production was up, but distribution apparently has changed because a lot of retailers got their allocations cut. I've managed to get the number of bottles I wanted (in fact I increased my number after I tasted this years release) but I have yet to see a bottle on the shelf. Every bottle I've procured has been from behind the counter.

Tom

[callmeox]

Are you seeing any???

Yeah, I see three on the floor on the other side of the room. I've been meaning to put them up, but I keep forgetting. :grin:

FWIW, Ohio's allocation was the largest in the three years that I've been hounding them to bring it in. I think we got 6 cases, if not a couple more that have not hit the sales book yet.

[White Dog]

In my parts, only Handy, ER17, and WLW are hitting the shelves. If you wanted Stagg or Saz18, you needed to have a prior discussion with the shop. Same goes for VW products, except for Lot B, which you will see on shelves.

[fishnbowljoe]

I wonder if it will be like it was around here last year. One store got 2 cases. I believe Gary and I bought all but one bottle. :grin: Then, three or four months later, more of it mysteriously showed up. :skep: Could it be that some distributors are playing games? :smiley_acbt: Just food for thought. Joe

[sku]

Stagg is still on some shelves out here.

[bvscfanatic]

I can account for one bottle which is very nearly empty.

[MissinER101]

I was to get 3 bottles through a buddy with "connections" in distribution...Still has not shown up:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[hectic1]

I've been to 4 different Binny's locations and I've seen BTAC at all of them...only 1 of the 4 had GTS on hand. At least from what I've seen with the other versions of BTAC the constant price increases have slowed down the buying rate as last year at this time most of the BTAC was gone from the shelves. I know that last year I had snatched up a couple WLW, GTS, and Handy by now...this year my funds have gone for PHC.

[M14Shooter]

I have seen some Stagg in the Boston area.But not as much as last year.Some stores did not get any..There seems to be more Handy,WLW and Eagle Rare 17 in Mass. SAZ 18 seems to in short supply as well.

Mike

[bcrossan]

Austin got a ton of Stagg and hardly any Saz.

[cowdery]

In Illinois, and probably some other states, the law prevents even a big retail chain like Binny's from moving merchandise between stores. They can send something that has been sold to another store for pick-up, but if South Loop runs out of Stagg and it isn't selling in Algonquin, they can't shift stock from Algonquin to downtown. I don't know a lot more about it, but perhaps what they do with something like Stagg is buy it from the distributor when it is first released and then have the distributor hold delivery until they see who needs what. I'm just speculating about that, but it could account for bottles that show up where none were before.

And as someone mentioned earlier about under-the-counter transactions, always ask your whiskey monger if they can get it for you. Don't accept an empty shelf as the last word.

[ThomasH]

My local "go to" store received one case of Stagg and it sold almost immediately. Nice to know that it at least is arriving in my area!

Thomas

[sku]

In Illinois, and probably some other states, the law prevents even a big retail chain like Binny's from moving merchandise between stores.

I've come to accept the strange and seemingly purposeless character of many liquor laws, but what could possibly be the justification for this type of law? Is it to protect smaller stores?

[squire]

sku I had a hand in drafting legislation in my early career and from first hand observation I believe what's behind quirky laws are elected members seeking contributions or posing for voters.

[cowdery]

I've come to accept the strange and seemingly purposeless character of many liquor laws, but what could possibly be the justification for this type of law? Is it to protect smaller stores?

It's to protect the monopoly of the distributors. If Binny's, with all of its outlets, was allowed to handle its own intra-chain distribution, that would cost the distributors a big chunk of their business and give Binny's huge leverage with them.

[White Dog]

It's to protect the monopoly of the distributors. If Binny's, with all of its outlets, was allowed to handle its own intra-chain distribution, that would cost the distributors a big chunk of their business and give Binny's huge leverage with them.

I'd say it's to protect smaller stores. Let's say Binny's buys a 25-case Beam White deal, then spreads it amongst all it's locations. A mom and pop store can't take a deal that large, and thus can't get the price break. With anti-pyramiding, each Binny's location must take a 25 case deal if they want the low price. It levels the playing field. Of course, inter-store swapping within big chains still goes on under the table. :rolleyes:

[White Dog]

And as someone mentioned earlier about under-the-counter transactions, always ask your whiskey monger if they can get it for you. Don't accept an empty shelf as the last word.

[cowdery]

Binny's can buy for the whole chain, they just have to let the distributor deliver it to individual stores, thus no real protection for smaller stores, as Binny's still gets the big chain buying power.

State aclcoholic beverage control boards have their mission defined at law and helping smaller retailers compete is not one of their enumerated purposes. Everything they do is, ostensibly at least, tied to one of those purposes, such as preventing minors from obtaining alcohol, fostering an orderly alcohol distribution system, discouraging abuse, and enforcing the laws, that sort of thing. Part of an "orderly distribution system" is that only distributors distribute. If Binny's was allowed to have a central warehouse and handle its own intra-chain distribution, then they would be a quasi distributor.

But, as I said, I'm just extrapolating based on what Brett told me about intra-store transfers being prohibited. That may not actually be how it works.

[sku]

Interesting. California doesn't appear to have such laws (or they go unenforced) as several stores quite openly ship between locations.

[B.B. Babington]

that may be one of the few advantages of most control states, they can easily ship between stores since it's all one outlet.

[callmeox]

that may be one of the few advantages of most control states, they can easily ship between stores since it's all one outlet.

The advantage that Ohio has is that it is a bailment state. The liquor on the floor of the regional warehouses in the belongs to the distributor, not to the state. Ohio doesn't pay for the stock on hand until it is shipped to a store.

There's little reason to run short of anything with this arrangement.

[bourbonNOOG]

Be happy Stagg or any of the other BTAC showed up in your area. Out of the 20 stores I've visited locally, few even know of the BTAC and none have it or have ever had it. Nashville was the closest spot I was able to find it.

[buckey48]

Austin got a ton of Stagg and hardly any Saz.

Do any of the stores ship? To Ca.?

My normal suppliers only got 1-3 bottles and most were sold.

Thanks

[squire]

Stagg is here but doesn't seem to move fast. I saw 8-10 bottles in a single row in a store yesterday whereas the same store will put out only one bottle at a time of Pappy 15 just to prevent customers from trying to buy more than one.