trade

[cnxvang]

just curious why there isn't a trade forum on here like they have on ratebeer and beeradvocate...i thought that'd be a good way for members to acquire htf bottles and sample new bourbons...

[Inthewater]

I think because in some cases, depending on the state, that is still considered bootlegging.

Not 100% on that, but just my guess.

[Lucas Jackson]

I think it is along those lines. Spirits are more regulated than beer.

Big Brother is watching!

[CorvallisCracker]

Spirits are more regulated than beer.

It's legal for me to order wine and beer from out of state stores for delivery to me here in Oregon. It is not legal for distilled spirits.

Big Brother is watching!

You betcha!

[Beer&Bourbon]

In that light though it's illegal for an individual to ship beers as well. It's just an issue that generally gets ignored.

I like the idea of trading bourbon.

[StraightBoston]

Chapter and verse from The Boss in this post. It's his playground, so I don't mind playing by his rules.

(That said, if you stick around and make friends, no telling what might show up on your doorstep outside the forums...)

[Inthewater]

Just because this can of worms has already been opened, and I can not have the stuff shipped to me from a retailer, how is it usually packaged when it arrives, in places where it is legal?

Dense foam, expanding foam in a sturdy box?

Just curious.

[CaptainQ]

Most of the big boys use these:

http://www.spiritedshipper.com/shipper/

[Inthewater]

Hmm, that just doesn't look like it would provide much impact protection against shattering.

Interesting.

[cowdery]

The policy for this forum in described in the link and is the final word.

The law behind it is that it is illegal to sell beverage alcohol of any kind without a license. Trading is the same as selling. Depending upon what one actually does, one could be prosecuted for several different federal and state offenses, some misdemeanors, some felonies.

There have been many discussions about different aspects of this over the years on this forum.

As for legal sales and legal shipment of spirits, common carriers such as UPS and FedEx do it all the time. Most of the packages I receive have a big sticker on the outside of the package stating that it contains alcohol and an adult signature is required. The shipper has to be licensed but I don't think the carriers worry about the laws at the receiving end. That's the shipper's problem. It's not the shipment of alcohol the states prohibit, it's mail order sales.

[Virus_Of_Life]

Hmm, that just doesn't look like it would provide much impact protection against shattering.

Interesting.

This is a better option for padding, they come in multiple sizes.

http://www.uhaul.com/movingsupplies/boxes/kitchen-moving-boxes/wine-shipping-kits?mid=169

[Inthewater]

That looks a little more resistant to the things I saw in 15 years of shipping/receiving.

[T Comp]

just curious why there isn't a trade forum on here like they have on ratebeer and beeradvocate...i thought that'd be a good way for members to acquire htf bottles and sample new bourbons...

You may be interested in what has been suggested and talked about in the collectibles forum too. Some more interest by fellow SBers could only help the already big and crotchety legs of Mr. Cowdery :grin: in carrying on with this proposal.

One of my suggestions for improving the Kentucky Bourbon Festival is "Get a law passed allowing whiskey collectors (legal age only, of course) to have a legal and above board swap meet. It would be a natural extension of the existing Master Distiller's Auction."

If not sure how difficult this would be, legislatively, but it should be a state law matter. The feds need not be involved.

Well, collectors, if the KBF was able to run a legal whiskey collectors show, where you could display your collection and make deals with other collectors, would you be interested in that? Would it get you to attend the KBF when you otherwise would not?

There hasn't been much interest in this since I suggested it in August. I have talked to Eric Gregory, President of the Kentucky Distillers Association about it and he seemed to like the idea too. The Festival, which KDA co-sponsors, would have to figure out how to do it legally, which might require some legislation, so KDA is the outfit to work on that. Mr. Gregory seemed to think it was not completely outside the realm of possibility.

Mr. Gregory, by the way, is staff, but the KDA changes its board leadership every year. The new chairman is John Rhea of Four Roses Distillery, the vice chairman is Jeff Conder of Beam Global, and the Secretary-Treasurer is Tom Krekeler of Campari (Wild Turkey). The other board members are Chris Morris (Brown-Forman), Andrea Wilson (Diageo) and David Hobbs (Heaven Hill).

If you think this is a good idea, let the KDA know.

I would also encourage anyone who thinks it's a good idea to help flesh-out the idea here with comments to this thread.

By the way, I can't be on the KDA board of directors unless one of the member companies wants to hire me as its representative. The board is one representative each from the six member companies.

[StraightNoChaser]

I live in TX and it is illegal to ship spirits in, within or out of the state I'd be a very happy Texan if the laws stated otherwise!!!

[MarkEdwards]

I live in TX and it is illegal to ship spirits in, within or out of the state I'd be a very happy Texan if the laws stated otherwise!!!

Actually, it is illegal to GET CAUGHT shipping spirits. :cool:

[p_elliott]

Actually, it is illegal to GET CAUGHT shipping spirits. :cool:

:slappin: :slappin: :slappin: :slappin: :slappin: :slappin:

[StraightNoChaser]

Actually, it is illegal to GET CAUGHT shipping spirits. :cool:

Good point

It is, however, quite legal to receive spirits from out of the country!

[CaptainQ]

Good point

It is, however, quite legal to receive spirits from out of the country!

For overseas purchases I prefer one of these:

[p_elliott]

For overseas purchases I prefer one of these:

I bet our friends from Australia would too :grin:

[squire]

Ship me a few cases of high end stuff and I will provide a definitive legal answer as to liquor shipments to your State. Of course, the contents would have to be opened and examined for authenticity and the like, but in the event the answer is in the negative any unused evidence will be returned through proper channels.