Pappy Power!

[jcg9779]

Hitting the VWFRR early in your career is like banging a super model in high school on your first Friday night out. You need to get your legs under you with the girl in your history class with the "great personality" and then work your way through the cute chicks in the woodwind section of the band and perhaps a cheerleader or two before you jump in like that.

Otherwise she's doing all sorts of stuff to you that you just can't fathom and there's so much going on that you end up totally confused and maybe scarred for life.

Scott still digs the chicks with the "great personality." :grin:

[Jwilly019]

Hitting the VWFRR early in your career is like banging a super model in high school on your first Friday night out. You need to get your legs under you with the girl in your history class with the "great personality" and then work your way through the cute chicks in the woodwind section of the band and perhaps a cheerleader or two before you jump in like that.

Otherwise she's doing all sorts of stuff to you that you just can't fathom and there's so much going on that you end up totally confused and maybe scarred for life.

Scott, this is exactly why I've been holding off cracking open any of my higher end bottles. Instead, I'm letting my palate develop with some of my "lesser" pours. Though you explained it much more eloquently than I ever could've. :grin:

[ViperGlock]

Hitting the VWFRR early in your career is like banging a super model in high school on your first Friday night out. You need to get your legs under you with the girl in your history class with the "great personality" and then work your way through the cute chicks in the woodwind section of the band and perhaps a cheerleader or two before you jump in like that.

Otherwise she's doing all sorts of stuff to you that you just can't fathom and there's so much going on that you end up totally confused and maybe scarred for life.

No...it's just that VWFRR is the type to lie about taking birth control with intent to sue for child support.

[Brisko]

No...it's just that VWFRR is the type to lie about taking birth control with intent to sue for child support.

Send her my way.... I'm willing to take one for the team. :cool:

[timd]

Hitting the VWFRR early in your career is like banging a super model in high school on your first Friday night out. You need to get your legs under you with the girl in your history class with the "great personality" and then work your way through the cute chicks in the woodwind section of the band and perhaps a cheerleader or two before you jump in like that.

Otherwise she's doing all sorts of stuff to you that you just can't fathom and there's so much going on that you end up totally confused and maybe scarred for life.

Easily one of the Top Five best booze-to-real life analogies.ever.

Arguably, however, VWFRR is not only a smokin' hot chick, but one with an outstanding personality that you would bring home to dad... but then he'd insist you share....!

[ViperGlock]

Yes, I admit the analogy is “cuteâ€, but after drinking bourbon 25 years plus, I think I know what I like and what I don’t. I know you guys hold your bourbon in high regard but in real life it’s not a woman. A good woman is more intoxicating and taste much better than any liquor. If you think otherwise perhaps you have never had a truly hot lady. I have an appreciation for the effort put into making VWFRR, and for everyone’s opinion, but it’s not something I like. :cool:

[AaronWF]

I have an appreciation for the effort put into making VWFRR, and for everyone’s opinion, but it’s not something I like. :cool:

I just went back for another little taste of my bottle after leaving it alone for a good month or two. There's a flavor creeping into it that has been completely folded into the wood for the last 6 months. I have 1/4 to 1/3 of the bottle still with juice. I'm hoping those flavors continue to develop in the open bottle, so I'm definitely going to spread the rest of it out for as long as possible.

The flavor is a warmth and curly sweetness that I get from the Pappy products and even the Lot B. It seems that the steel vatting of the more recent round of VWFRR 'B' bottlings has had a really deleterious affect on the whiskey, but I have to admit that it's only now a good 6-7 months after opening that I'm even getting a glimpse of what might have made earlier bottlings so special.

[ViperGlock]

Keeping an open mind, I'll give it more time. :cool:

[timd]

If you think otherwise perhaps you have never had a truly hot lady

It was an analogy - not a fact. At least that's how I took it. It was funny, and a great description on a overwhelmingly well liked whiskey.

You don't have to like it - you may never like it. But it was still a great analogy and commentary.

If you've got 25 years of bourboning - kudos. You most likely do know exactly what will - and won't - get your tastes buds revved up. BUT - I find it's far easier to get me to like things I didn't, than to get me to disliked something I already do... that's true for most people.

That's the only "push back" you are getting here - quite a few folks (myself included) think this stuff is amazing and wish you had the same experiences of loving it and getting a "moment of magic" when you sit & sip it...

[DeanSheen]

quite a few folks (myself included) think this stuff is amazing and wish you had the same experiences of loving it and getting a "moment of magic" when you sit & sip it...

Don't listen to this guy. You made the right call! Horrible, vile, juice!

(spread the word)

[hectic1]

I don't understand why, but even though I "love/like" the PVW15, I "love/like" Knob Creek Single Barrel Reserve MORE!!

The VWFRR is not easy for me to like. Hopefully I will enjoy PVW20-23 and Lot B better than the $40 KCSBR!! :grin:

[callmeox]

Scott still digs the chicks with the "great personality." :grin:

They definitely have their place. :grin:

Scott, this is exactly why I've been holding off cracking open any of my higher end bottles. Instead, I'm letting my palate develop with some of my "lesser" pours. Though you explained it much more eloquently than I ever could've. :grin:

I did the same as you when I got serious about bourbon and rye. It took a lot of willpower to not jump to the end, but I think I developed an appreciation for stuff from the bottom shelf up by taking that path. I hope you do as well. It definitely makes things cheaper for you in the long run.

No...it's just that VWFRR is the type to lie about taking birth control with intent to sue for child support.

It's comments like the above, followed by:

Send her my way.... I'm willing to take one for the team. :cool:

That keep me coming back to SB.

Easily one of the Top Five best booze-to-real life analogies.ever.

Arguably, however, VWFRR is not only a smokin' hot chick, but one with an outstanding personality that you would bring home to dad... but then he'd insist you share....!

How would mom feel about that? :grin:

It was an analogy - not a fact. At least that's how I took it. It was funny, and a great description on a overwhelmingly well liked whiskey.

You don't have to like it - you may never like it. But it was still a great analogy and commentary.

If you've got 25 years of bourboning - kudos. You most likely do know exactly what will - and won't - get your tastes buds revved up. BUT - I find it's far easier to get me to like things I didn't, than to get me to disliked something I already do... that's true for most people.

That's the only "push back" you are getting here - quite a few folks (myself included) think this stuff is amazing and wish you had the same experiences of loving it and getting a "moment of magic" when you sit & sip it...

Yeah, there are few bottles that I know of where SB'ers are united in their opinion and the VWFRR had been one. I honestly don't recall a negative comment about it until recently.

ViperGlock, are there any other well aged ryes that you like? I'm really puzzled since there wasn't a rough edge to be found in the bottles that I've had.

Don't listen to this guy. You made the right call! Horrible, vile, juice!

(spread the word)

I wish it was that easy.

So I guess you don't always know what you like and what you don't? :confused:

I think we have all had bottles where we have wavered, but to me the VW rye isn't one.

[ViperGlock]

It’s the real time evolution of opinion over many days of pours. The more pours, the better I can tell what I like. I had KCSBR vs. VWFRR vs. PVW15 going.

Knowing myself, I’ve had enough tastes now to decide my preference…which is:

1. PVW15
   
2. KCSBR
   
3. VWFRR

First and second place I like to the degree I would recommend and will buy again. I'm not trying to be rude, I just do not like the rye very well. I have never cared for rye anything. Also, I already posted that in the interest of keeping an open mind I would let the VWFRR set a few months to let it “open up†(or whatever is the proper terminology) and give it one final set of tries. If I still do not like it after all that it will be…let’s just say…assimilated into the cosmic barrel in the sky.

[SMOWK]

I have never cared for rye anything.

[Jwilly019]

I did the same as you when I got serious about bourbon and rye. It took a lot of willpower to not jump to the end, but I think I developed an appreciation for stuff from the bottom shelf up by taking that path. I hope you do as well. It definitely makes things cheaper for you in the long run.

[callmeox]

I think that if you develop a palate for moderately priced bottles, you will likely retain that even when you crack the super premium threshold. The point is that I can be just as content with a pour of VOB BiB or one of the cheap HH bonds as I am with something at the top of the price scale.

[callmeox]

Well there ya go.

Yep, that answers my question from above. :grin:

[ViperGlock]

Yep, that answers my question from above. :grin:

Yes...so it's not anything wrong with it for what it is. It's just that it's not my thing.

[timd]

It's just that it's not my thing.

And less than a year ago, I would have said the same of Wheaters - now I love them. One day you find your palate just "kicks in" (if you continue to push it - but if you give up on trying, then obviously it won't happen).

Of all things it was a cheap-o bottle of Weller Antique 107 I picked up that led me down the path of ruin and into Pappy worship. One day it went from just a way to kill some time to something I found truly enjoyable.

Given how much I LOVE my rye whiskey, though, I really hope the taste buds do a flip for you - it honestly bums me out that you don't get to enjoy the PVWFRR the same way I, and others, do - it's a wonderful experience.

I can only suggest you keep at it - maybe someday it'll be great... or perhaps not (I can't stand Gin - and don't see that changing). I try it now and again to see if I've grown my palate enough to enjoy it... but I still haven't.

[fishnbowljoe]

I just do not like the rye very well. I have never cared for rye anything.

I was the same way when I first got into bourbon/rye. I tried it all, and I really tried to like ryes. All to no avail. Ask Scott. Back at the 2009 KBS, I gave him two or three bottles because I couldn't stand them. (He did give me something nice in return. :grin:) Since then I have been able to "take a liking" to a couple. VWFRR and Rittenhouse 23 yr old. The T H Handy and Saz 18 aren't too shabby either.

Your palate may or may not come around to ryes. So, just enjoy enjoy what you can, and try something new from time to time. Like I've said many times, "It's all good." :grin: Cheers! Joe