Pappy On Bottlers.

[DeanSheen]

And while I like green beans, I'm not a connoisseur of green beans, so i don't track the provenance. If I did, I'd be a member of the Straight Beans forum.

[BMartin42]

Here's the difference: I simply find it fun to discover the source of the whiskey I drink. My curiosity is not tied to some type of "lifestyle choice" or politics. I have fun being a connoisseur, and make no apologies for that term. That's why I visit this site.

[PaulO]

This topic reminds me of the company that shows little elves baking their cookies and crackers inside a hollow tree. But seriously, I have enjoyed some bourbon where the actual distiller was unknown to me. I have no idea who is the original source of Josh Brooks, or Wathens. Mostly I enjoy BT and HH products, now and then some Old Grandad. One of the great things about bonds is disclosure on the label; DSP numbers.

[barturtle]

Do you know where your green beans were grown, processed, and canned? Do you know where your flour was milled & bagged? I don't see the difference. It's a consumable product.

[Josh]

Most of the anger I have seen around this topic has been when someone says "I don't buy Old NDP Reserve b/c I don't know where it comes from or I don't like the way they operate". The NDP defenders then come out of the woodwork and accuse that person of being holier than thou or bring up all kinds of examples of maketing puffery on the part of distiller producers or the Van Winkles and then accuse that person of being a hypocrite. It's rarely someone saying "don't buy this or that" it's usually someone saying "you should buy this and that b/c if you don't, you're a big phony."

[StraightBoston]

It seems many skip the fun and go to anger over not knowing as if they are somehow "owed" the information. Many independent bottlers are small companies just trying to put a product out there that will make them money.

I find it interesting to compare and contrast the SMSW independent bottlers with the bourbon NDPs -- in a sense they seem to have very similar business models and markets. In the Scotch world, the provenance of the whisky (even if obfuscated) is one of the key selling points, whereas both parties in the bourbon world seem to prefer that nobody know where the whiskey came from.

[SMOWK]

Many independent bottlers are small companies just trying to put a product out there that will make them money. The bottom line is what is important to small companies & I'm sure they make their decisions on what & how much info to share based on that.

Who's up for lobbying their congressman to force bottlers to put the DSP on all bottles? I thought the unregulated private sector always provided a superior product.

[WsmataU]

Who's up for lobbying their congressman to force bottlers to put the DSP on all bottles? I thought the unregulated private sector always provided a superior product.

Congress doesn't need any more excuses to keep from doing the important work on their plate:slappin:

[PaulO]

I do like Old Rip Van Winkle. I very seldom have it in the cabinet because I very rarely see any in the stores. When I do find it; it is nearly $40 (and that's the 90, not the 107).

[cowdery]

There's nothing wrong with different people caring about different things. Most care about honesty, I think. Some just don't care that much about provenance. I may care about provenance more than most because the history interests me so much. We're all different (some are just more different than others .)

[SMOWK]

Congress doesn't need any more excuses to keep from doing the important work on their plate:slappin:

[jcg9779]

I do like Old Rip Van Winkle. I very seldom have it in the cabinet because I very rarely see any in the stores. When I do find it; it is nearly $40 (and that's the 90, not the 107).

That would be nice to see....the ORVW 10/90 is $45 here in Atlanta!

[craigthom]

Do you know where your green beans were grown, processed, and canned? Do you know where your flour was milled & bagged? I don't see the difference. It's a consumable product.

It does piss me off that store brand products are labeled as "packaged for" or "produced for" but lack the source of the product, yes.

Heck, it bothers me when they just list the address of the corporate headquarters for name-brand products and not the city where the product was actually produced.

So, no, there is no difference. I want disclosure.

[MarkEdwards]

It does piss me off that store brand products are labeled as "packaged for" or "produced for" but lack the source of the product, yes.

Heck, it bothers me when they just list the address of the corporate headquarters for name-brand products and not the city where the product was actually produced.

So, no, there is no difference. I want disclosure.

And marketing weasel phrases, like, "made WITH aged cheddar cheese", which is not the same as "made OF aged cheddar cheese", for a current example that just pisses me off.:hot:

[cas]

And marketing weasel phrases, like, "made WITH aged cheddar cheese", which is not the same as "made OF aged cheddar cheese", for a current example that just pisses me off.:hot:

What about 95% fat free..., or similar language; what does that mean?

Craig

[barturtle]

What about 95% fat free..., or similar language; what does that mean?

Craig

[MarkEdwards]

Reminds me of my fav: 2% milk. You would think it only has 2% of the fat of whole milk, but in actuality Whole Milk could be called 3.25% milk.

[craigthom]

Reminds me of my fav: 2% milk. You would think it only has 2% of the fat of whole milk, but in actuality Whole Milk could be called 3.25% milk.

Yes, whole milk is 96% fat free.

[Special Reserve]

Yes, whole milk is 96% fat free.

More like 96.75% fat free. I avoid the whole issue by not drinking milk. I only use milk when making scalloped potatoes. Then I use whole milk.