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A Pappy 23 Inquiry.

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I don't know my Pappy's as well as many of you. I have a 23-year-old Lawrenceburg bottle, with "Bottle #1950" handwritten on the front label.

What do I have?

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Thanks. That makes sense. Yes to the green-tinted glass. It's slight, but there's definitely tint.

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sutton Virtuoso

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Non-wheated bourbon. Glass should have a green tint.

Like licking a stave.

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Forgive my newbie ignorance, but there are PVW's that are non-wheated?? And just when I thought I was beginning to understand things....

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The Pappy 23 I recently opened is much more balanced than the PVW20 or VWFRR's that I have open. Somehow, there is less wood present. I'm still on the fence whether or not this is a good or a bad thing. I really like the wood punch of the 20 and Rye, but damn is the 23 good.

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Thanks. That makes sense. Yes to the green-tinted glass. It's slight, but there's definitely tint.

How does the inside taste? :)

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Forgive my newbie ignorance, but there are PVW's that are non-wheated?? And just when I thought I was beginning to understand things....

Yes, the highest scoring bourbons they've ever bottled were non-wheated.:lol:

Suck on that, wheat-geeks.:slappin:

The original Pappy 20 and 23 both had rye, not wheat.

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Yes, the highest scoring bourbons they've ever bottled were non-wheated.:lol:

Suck on that, wheat-geeks.:slappin:

The original Pappy 20 and 23 both had rye, not wheat.

Wow. Granted, I haven't been hanging out here long, but I guess I always assumed PVW=wheated, and any Old Fitz/SW=wheated. I did manage to buy a PVW23 a couple of months ago that I''m sitting on until I know better (!), what should I be looking for to know whether it is rye vs. wheat? Sorry if this is old news to everyone else, but it is a bit of a revelation to me...

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Wow. Granted, I haven't been hanging out here long, but I guess I always assumed PVW=wheated, and any Old Fitz/SW=wheated. I did manage to buy a PVW23 a couple of months ago that I''m sitting on until I know better (!), what should I be looking for to know whether it is rye vs. wheat? Sorry if this is old news to everyone else, but it is a bit of a revelation to me...

The Rye Pappy's would be very old ones any thing bought currently would be wheat.

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Anyone know how old is "very old"? When was bottle #1950 (which is still sealed, by the way) probably bottled?

It came in a just-barely-big-enough velvet bag. I received it as a gift in about 2004.

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The first 20yo (which scored a record 99) was in 98. The 23yo was 2000 (in Feb 01 Julian stated he had bottled 3,000 bottles and had 30-12bottle cases left).

The second bottling wasn't until Dec 05/Jan 06

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barturtle Guru

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Where was it from? Was it Medley bourbon or what?

The original 20yo was Boone. Julian has refused to state to source of the 23yo.

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Surely one of the resident Pappyophiles should know all this:rolleyes:

I am no Pappyophile (!!), but I think you may have missed the second bottling of 23 which I thought came around 03/04 and was the first Frankfort bottling only ~900 bottles with no letter preceding the number.... Of course I could be wrong, but know I bought my "A" bottle in later 2005.

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Surely one of the resident Pappyophiles should know all this:rolleyes:

Yeah I was thinking for a guy that has "I'm no Pappyphile" in his sig your sure talk like one! :lol:

Good info on the Rye's scoring higher than the Wheaters.

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Yeah, I remember Julian telling me when he switched his 20 from rye to wheat. (That was quite a while ago now.) All the reference books at the time (like Gary Regan's bourbon book) also listed it as a wheater when it, in actuality, wasn't.

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It's really nice of all of you to help Chuck with his e-bay flip.:lol: :lol:

I'm sure at least a couple of folks would be happy to see that bottle get listed on Ebay.

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Yeah I was thinking for a guy that has "I'm no Pappyphile" in his sig your sure talk like one! :lol:

Good info on the Rye's scoring higher than the Wheaters.

One must know the history and provenance of bottles in his collection for...um...insurance purposes. Or trades. whichever.:grin:

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I am no Pappyophile (!!), but I think you may have missed the second bottling of 23 which I thought came around 03/04 and was the first Frankfort bottling only ~900 bottles with no letter preceding the number.... Of course I could be wrong, but know I bought my "A" bottle in later 2005.

Yeah, forgot about that. Was mostly to stock bars in Louisville. It was a bit over 1,000 bottles.

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Yeah I was thinking for a guy that has "I'm no Pappyphile" in his sig your sure talk like one!...

Yeah, it cracked me up that quite late in the evening, he itched for a full 15 minutes before pulling the trigger on some VW info, then more 5 minutes later, then 1 minute later posted again about how, since no one else was supplying the wheater info, it landed on his broad shoulders to do it.

Such are the duties of being the Barturtle, I guess...

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Such are the duties of being the Barturtle, I guess...

:grin:

Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer:slappin:

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I'll also point out that most of that knowledge got stuck in there when doing research on their rye.:cool:

I also keep a good amount of S-Will in the bunker to keep as many as possible from having to suffer the indignity of touching it to their palate.:slappin:

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I'll also point out that most of that knowledge got stuck in there when doing research on their rye...

Ahhh, you read it for the rye articles!

Are the wheater pages stickier?

:lol:

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