New/Current Pappy 15 vs PHC wheater

[trumpstylz]

Just wondering which you would prefer for the high end wheaters- the newer release of pappy 15 or PHC from 2010.

[Tony]

This past weekend we tried both the new Pappy 15 and the PHC from 2010 and the consensus was that the PHC from 2010 won all the way.

Unfortunately I only have a bottle and a half now and cannot find any more.

Best regards, tony

[chefnash51]

This past weekend we tried both the new Pappy 15 and the PHC from 2010 and the consensus was that the PHC from 2010 won all the way.

Unfortunately I only have a bottle and a half now and cannot find any more.

Best regards, tony

curious... was the PHC opened already for some time?

[Tony]

curious... was the PHC opened already for some time?

[White Dog]

PHC 10yr Wheater without question! So decadent. Yet all current Old Fitzgeralds disappoint.

[jeanraulmitchell]

Bought a PHC wh last month and am really not into the finish. It stays with you way too long in my opinion. It actually made me a little uncomfortable at times like I had heartburn or something. Other people I shared this bottle with noticed it too. Gone back a few times and it's just not my whiskey. The nose is the best part. I would take a PVW 15 from 09 any day over this whiskey. However, I didn't buy a 15yo release this fall after all the criticism, so I got a few family reserve ryes and a few 20yos.

I decided to write and ask, why not put WLW in this conversation too? For me, it's a much better wheater than PHC but closer than PVW15 in proof and it's the exact same price. That's a whiskey I look at everyday and I get all giddy because I want to sit with it and enjoy anytime I walk by.

Back to PVW, the 15yo of yesterday has this bright elegance when it's in my mouth that the recent PHC doesn't have. And Pappy has this incredible finish that vibrates where PHC vibrates but chokes you 30 seconds afterwards, not because of the alcohol percentage, I don't think but something else and that something has to do with the oak. However, I'm not sure why it gives me and others this sensation but would be curious if someone had an experience similar and could explain it. The best thing about PHC is that it has this kinda "this is bourbon" nose...and honestly, it's kinda generic to me, like this would be the poster child for what bourbon smells like, Stagg could also be on this poster too and I'm not going to buy another bottle of that either but wouldn't turn down a pour if offered. I think both PHC and Stagg are not complex enough for my palette. Neither noses make me go 'wow, what's this' but rather, 'oh, this is bourbon and good powerful bourbon'.

PVW is always surprising through and through and WLW just demands me to pay full attention to it to the point where there is nothing happening in the room but this drink and me and I don't want to stop enjoying it and I notice nothing else but it's amazing character that compares to nothing else.

[AaronWF]

Bought a PHC wh last month and am really not into the finish. It stays with you way too long in my opinion. It actually made me a little uncomfortable at times like I had heartburn or something. Other people I shared this bottle with noticed it too. Gone back a few times and it's just not my whiskey. The nose is the best part.

I decided to write and ask, why not put WLW in this conversation too? For me, it's a much better wheater than PHC but closer than PVW15 in proof and it's the exact same price. That's a whiskey I look at everyday and I get all giddy because I want to sit with it and enjoy anytime I walk by.

Back to PVW, the 15yo of yesterday has this bright elegance when it's in my mouth that the recent PHC doesn't have. And Pappy has this incredible finish that vibrates where PHC vibrates but chokes you 30 seconds afterwards, not because of the alcohol percentage, I don't think but something else and I think it has something to do with the oak. However, I'm not sure why it gives me and others this sensation but would be curious if someone had an experience similar and could explain it. The best thing about PHC is that it has this kinda "this is bourbon" nose...and honestly, it's kinda generic to me, like this would be the poster child for what bourbon smells like, Stagg could also be on this poster too and I'm not going to buy another bottle of that either but wouldn't turn down a pour if offered. I think both PHC and Stagg are not complex enough for my palette. Neither noses make me go 'wow, what's this' but rather, 'oh, this is bourbon and good powerful bourbon'.

[trumpstylz]

Great responses.

Throw the WLW into the mashup as well.

And wouldn't the Willett wheater most likely be from the same mashbill/distillery as the PHC?

[hectic1]

Great responses.

Throw the WLW into the mashup as well.

And wouldn't the Willett wheater most likely be from the same mashbill/distillery as the PHC?

[awachatz]

Was shut out on PVW15 this year here in MI, but did luck out and picked up 3 bottles of PHC. Had it previously when it first came out and look forward to giving it another try.

[trumpstylz]

So if the willett isn't from heavenhill, where is it from?

[White Dog]

The Willett 17yr and Vintage 17 wheaters are pre-HH Bernheim.

[clingman71]

:grin:

Not the Willett bottles that I have...PHC 2010 is a HH distilled product.

I would agree with Aaron as the PHC definitely shines around 107 proof and that happens to be the same proof as Pappy 15! :cool:

Isn't the 17 year Willett Bernheim? HH now owns the Bernheim distillery, do you think the early-mid '90s wheated Bernheim is different from late '90s-00s wheated HH from the same distillery?

[T Comp]

:grin:

Isn't the 17 year Willett Bernheim? HH now owns the Bernheim distillery, do you think the early-mid '90s wheated Bernheim is different from late '90s-00s wheated HH from the same distillery?

[RWBadley]

Just wondering which you would prefer for the high end wheaters- the newer release of pappy 15 or PHC from 2010.

[autiger23]

Well bad news from my top store that was able to get me a couple cases of the PHC10 over the year, the got back with the distributor and they said it is now gone. Only getting 40 cases of the cognac now. Argh, well at least I got 6 bunkered and one open on the shelf.

[jcg9779]

Well bad news from my top store that was able to get me a couple cases of the PHC10 over the year, the got back with the distributor and they said it is now gone. Only getting 40 cases of the cognac now. Argh, well at least I got 6 bunkered and one open on the shelf.

[autiger23]

Yeah the $78 was a little steep, wish I was able to find them around mid $60's. I don't venture to SC, would like to for some dusty hunting...some of the smaller stores outside the Columbia area but that is just too far to drive for me. If you see anymore around ATL hiding let me know bud.

[tommyboy38]

I think I need to take the PHC 10 down to 107 and give it a try. I've also felt it's a bit too hot right out of the bottle.

[jfw]

I prefer the PHC to the PVW 2011. If you go to PVW 2009 it's a really close call.

[hectic1]

I had some 124.2 last night cut to 107 and I'll stand by my comments that this is the best wheated bourbon produced in large quantities by a major distillery in the last 5 years. IMO the only bottling that would knock this one off it's perch is the BT bottling of SW juice put in the 2006 WLW and that was 15yr 3mo old. Pappy 15 is close but PHC gets the nod due to the char and texture that the barrel influence from being unchill filtered provides. Now if there were some Pappy15 that hadn't been filtered that would most likely be utopian type bourbon.

Now we know HH can make some very good wheated bourbon...we just need them to fix the mess that they've made of OF BIB and VSOF 12...come on HH...get in the game!

[BourbonBaron]

I need to open up my next Pappy 15 and do a side by side. I killed the first bottle before my PHC 2010's arrived in the mail. Since I like the Pappy 20 more than the 15, and the PHC 2010 more than the 20, I suspect the PHC will win yet again.

That being said, I demolished the Pappy 15 pretty quickly. It was the first one that I had ever had and it was hard to put down. I also didn't mind drinking it so quickly since it is all BT juice now, and I don't forsee BT closing down anytime soon like SW did. I hope HH makes another wheater for the Heritage Collection in the near future.

[jburlowski]

I had some 124.2 last night cut to 107 and I'll stand by my comments that this is the best wheated bourbon produced in large quantities by a major distillery in the last 5 years. IMO the only bottling that would knock this one off it's perch is the BT bottling of SW juice put in the 2006 WLW and that was 15yr 3mo old. Pappy 15 is close but PHC gets the nod due to the char and texture that the barrel influence from being unchill filtered provides. Now if there were some Pappy15 that hadn't been filtered that would most likely be utopian type bourbon.

Now we know HH can make some very good wheated bourbon...we just need them to fix the mess that they've made of OF BIB and VSOF 12...come on HH...get in the game!

I agree with Bob but would go further to say that the PHC wheater is better than any of the recent WLWs. (I got some grief for saying this when the PHC 2010 first came out.)

Better than Pappy 15? The older, clearly S-W Pappy --- no. The more recent PVW 15? Face to face: I dunno... In a blind tasting, maybe.

Yes folks, The 2010 PHC is that good.

[Tony]

Let us stop talking about the 2010 PHC like it is that good. Or if you are going to talk about it anyone from SE Michigan please do not believe it to be true.

I find myself stopping at every liquor store I pass hoping to find more and am not finding anymore.

Why oh why did I ever learn about this, or if I had to learn about it why was it not last Fall?

Best regards, tony

[Special Reserve]

I agree with Bob but would go further to say that the PHC wheater is better than any of the recent WLWs. (I got some grief for saying this when the PHC 2010 first came out.)

Better than Pappy 15? The older, clearly S-W Pappy --- no. The more recent PVW 15? Face to face: I dunno... In a blind tasting, maybe.

Yes folks, The 2010 PHC is that good.

I've had to pleasure to compare older PVW15 and PHC 10. PHC 10 more than holds it's own. Neat, both are excellent but I'd say that PHC due to its higher ABV is better. I wonder how it would compare to VOF and VVOF.

The only thing about PHC 10 is that it did not hold up well on crushed ice.