Dodo Whiskeys

[LostBottle]

So it seems some of my favorite whiskeys are going the way of the dodo and this makes me sad.

We all know about Hirsch, but I really was never able to enjoy much of it. Now the Pappy 15 is no longer made with any trace of the legendary Stitzel-Weller distillate, the 20 seems it is not far behind (year after next if the math pencils out correctly) and the 23 only has few short years left. Adding to the pain are the high-end ryes. When the stainless tanks holding the Saz 18 and VWFRR are emptied, they too are extinct and I hear there will be a bit of a gap before the replacement ultra-aged ryes are available.

I am sure there is more good whiskey aging as I speak, but no guarantee that it will be legendary. There is the possibility it might be better, but it still won't be the same. Then there are my worries that while the increased popularity of bourbon will be good for the industry as a whole, it may lead to undermining of premium quality releases as supply tries to keep up with increasing demand and the $$ that go with it.

I know whiskeys have lived and died throughout the years, but this is the first time I really effected by this. Anyone else feel the same?

[mosugoji64]

In 10 years, people will be saying the same about the bottles we're enjoying today. That's not to say that some of the older bottles weren't excellent, but we have some excellent bottles now that will undoubtedly change or disappear and we'll talk about them at length with future bourbon geeks. Just a thought ...

[B.B. Babington]

judging by all these flavoring trends that sell massive volumes, "I remember the days when you could get whiskey that didn't have caramel, honey, cherry, peach, cotton candy, chocolate, or anything else added to it." :skep:

[StraightNoChaser]

Most of my favorite whiskeys are already extinct. It's a sad day when you walk into the liquor store and can't find anything you want to drink in the bourbon aisle

[JayMonster]

judging by all these flavoring trends that sell massive volumes, "I remember the days when you could get whiskey that didn't have caramel, honey, cherry, peach, cotton candy, chocolate, or anything else added to it." :skep:

[cards81fan]

In 10 years, people will be saying the same about the bottles we're enjoying today. That's not to say that some of the older bottles weren't excellent, but we have some excellent bottles now that will undoubtedly change or disappear and we'll talk about them at length with future bourbon geeks. Just a thought ...

[Josh]

In 10 years, people will be saying the same about the bottles we're enjoying today. That's not to say that some of the older bottles weren't excellent, but we have some excellent bottles now that will undoubtedly change or disappear and we'll talk about them at length with future bourbon geeks. Just a thought ...

[smokinjoe]

Well said!

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[StraightBoston]

+1. And, I'll add that I've tasted more sucky bourbons from the "good old days", than I have from current production. There was a fair amount of crap made. That's why a lot of it is still on the shelf now.

[smokinjoe]

I disagree slightly -- I've had several bottom-shelf, cats 'n' dogs labels from the glut era that were spectacular; likewise the long-lost mainstream brands like Yellowstone. (I've also had some unacceptably harsh S-W Cabin Stills and Rebel Yells!)

Having said that, I've found no shortage of favorites from today's whiskeys: Weller SR and Antique, Makers 46, Four Roses Yellow and Jim Beam Black are always consumed and replaced on a regular basis.

And I've got some 90 proof Jack in my cabinet!

[White Dog]

PHC Collection Wheater is a "Dodo" as far as I'm concerned. Now, if HH comes out with a regular-release wheater that's actually good, it would take away the sadness.

[AaronWF]

There are a few threads kicking around with thoughts on how aged bourbons and ryes are disappearing. We have the ryes distilled in the 80's and tanked around 18-19 years that go into the VWFRR with an age statement of 13 years, and the Michter's 10-year, which was older whiskey, but now seems to be different juice than what was originally bottled. And now there's the abolishment of the age-stated Wellers.

It seems the practices that the whiskey industry learned in order to survive the glut period are shifting due to the increased demand of bourbon and rye, and these are the final days of the old order. I suppose that in the next decade, aged whiskeys in general will become much more rare and expensive.

Even now, the cream of HH's crop, the PHC, is regularly released as a 10-year whiskey, and that's $80 for a 10-year. Not to say that age always equals quality, and the increasing availability of non-filtered, barrel strength products is a great thing, but it's pretty clear that the patience to endure a long maturation will be much more expensive in an industry that's booming.

[White Dog]

There are a few threads kicking around with thoughts on how aged bourbons and ryes are disappearing. We have the ryes distilled in the 80's and tanked around 18-19 years that go into the VWFRR with an age statement of 13 years, and the Michter's 10-year, which was older whiskey, but now seems to be different juice than what was originally bottled. And now there's the abolishment of the age-stated Wellers.

It seems the practices that the whiskey industry learned in order to survive the glut period are shifting due to the increased demand of bourbon and rye, and these are the final days of the old order. I suppose that in the next decade, aged whiskeys in general will become much more rare and expensive.

Even now, the cream of HH's crop, the PHC, is regularly released as a 10-year whiskey, and that's $80 for a 10-year. Not to say that age always equals quality, and the increasing availability of non-filtered, barrel strength products is a great thing, but it's pretty clear that the patience to endure a long maturation will be much more expensive in an industry that's booming.

I think they'll eventually catch back up, as most of the majors have expanded production. Hopefully it won't take a decade to get back on track. Of course, given the conservative nature of the Bourbon industry, and the fact that whiskey should continue to grow over the next 10 years, who knows?

[Josh]

Now, how about a thread on Doodoo whiskey?:shithappens: :shithappens: :shithappens:

[White Dog]

Now, how about a thread on Doodoo whiskey?:shithappens: :shithappens: :shithappens:

I've said all I care to say about current Rebel Yell.

[yountvillewjs]

Now, how about a thread on Doodoo whiskey?:shithappens: :shithappens: :shithappens:

*cough* Basil Hayden *cough*

[mosugoji64]

Now, how about a thread on Doodoo whiskey?:shithappens: :shithappens: :shithappens:

Would that be distillate from fermented doodoo? I think I'll pass ...

:slappin:

[ebo]

Now, how about a thread on Doodoo whiskey?:shithappens: :shithappens: :shithappens:

[omnom]

Excuse the newbie-ness, but let me confirm...

If I come across abottle of 20yo Pappy on the shelf right now, it uses Stitzel-Weller juice for certain?

I've been eyeing one at my local store for $100...it has been sitting there for at least a few weeks. Thinking I'd be crazy not to grab it tomorrow maybe. heh

[smokinjoe]

Excuse the newbie-ness, but let me confirm...

If I come across abottle of 20yo Pappy on the shelf right now, it uses Stitzel-Weller juice for certain?

I've been eyeing one at my local store for $100...it has been sitting there for at least a few weeks. Thinking I'd be crazy not to grab it tomorrow maybe. heh

[omnom]

Yes, it's S-W whiskey. $100 is more than fair these days. If you want it, you should buy it now.

[smokinjoe]

Cheers! Think I will pick it up tomorrow.

[proof and age]

What is the agreed upon date that S-W ceased production? I have heard conflicting years, believe it is right at 1992, can anyone confirm or deny??

[White Dog]

What is the agreed upon date that S-W ceased production? I have heard conflicting years, believe it is right at 1992, can anyone confirm or deny??

[Young Blacksmith]

Can't remember the thread now, Probably the WSR now NAS thread, but someone stated June 30, 1992 as final distillation date.