Garden & Gun Article on Julian Van Winkle

[wmpevans]

August/Sept 2012 Garden & Gun magazine has article on Julian P. Van Winkle: "Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"

Highly recommended reading. Very informative as to Pappy selection from BT barrels: after a tasting session and tasting ninety-four barrels: "only one dog in the bunch."

Tried to copy article over from Garden & Gun website, but couldn't locate, as this edition just hit the mailbox. I'll try to copy at office tomorrow and post, unless someone can locate and post.

Bill.

[GaryT]

August/Sept 2012 Garden & Gun magazine has article on Julian P. Van Winkle: "Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"

Highly recommended reading. Very informative as to Pappy selection from BT barrels: after a tasting session and tasting ninety-four barrels: "only one dog in the bunch."

Tried to copy article over from Garden & Gun website, but couldn't locate, as this edition just hit the mailbox. I'll try to copy at office tomorrow and post, unless someone can locate and post.

Bill.

[Ejmharris]

Wow - look forward to seeing this article! I tried to find it on their website but came up short. So if they tasted 94 barrels, and found 93 to be left wanting . . . I wonder what becomes of those? Are those blended into something else, or just considered too far gone to be of use (or some mixture of the two). And I'm curious if that is their normal find (just better than 1%), or if a weather patterns in the last 23 years makes this an outlier.

[MyOldKyDram]

I think he meant he only found one bad one in the bunch, unless I read it wrong.

ETA: or yeah, what he said.

[Tucker]

When the article is posted it'll show up here...http://gardenandgun.com/magazine''>http://gardenandgun.com/magazine' rel="external nofollow">

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May be there tomorrow, may take another few weeks or more.

[GaryT]

AAAaaaa . . . well that just makes a whole lot more sense Thanks for pointing that out!

[Halifax]

Good read. Thanks for scanning and posting!

[OscarV]

"Julian P. Van Winkle III is one of the most respected names in bourbon. So why are people so angry at him?"

As for me it's because he waters his great boubon down to much.

Pappy 20 is flat and one dimensional.

Wheaters shouldn't be cut to 100 proof.

[White Dog]

Yawn. This would have been a much better article if it had written by BarrelChar.

[p_elliott]

The post with the article was deleted because it was a scanned copyright protected article. That is against the rules of SB.com. You can post a link to the article.

Edited July 21, 2012 by p_elliott

[MacinJosh]

For what it's worth, I thought it was a nice article.

No Earth-shattering revelations or X-Files-like conspiracies.....just an entertaining article and a nice piece of journalism. It was well written.

[CoMobourbon]

Yawn. This would have been a much better article if it had written by BarrelChar.

YES.

I have to read that version NOW. Come on Senor Char!

Edited July 21, 2012 by CoMobourbon

[Tucker]

Here 'tis...

http://gardenandgun.com/article/julian-p-van-winkle

[cowdery]

Enjoyed the pictures of the Van Winkle Distillery. Looks a little like Buffalo Trace.

[p_elliott]

Very good article and thank you Tucker for making it a link.

[TradingBoiler]

Thanks for sharing. A fun read!

[tigerlam92]

"On a twenty-three-year-old barrel, the angels’ share is about fifty gallons out of the original fifty-three, which partly explains Van Winkle 23’s heart-stopping expense."

Wow. Is this accurate? That's a huge lost to factor for and planned.

0.9 * (0.95^22) * 53 gallons = 15.43 gallons

That's going be a happy angel in any case.

Cheers

--Hugh

Edited July 26, 2012 by tigerlam92

[jburlowski]

I participated in a single barrel selection of PVW 23 a few years back. Yielded a whopping 35 bottles.

[soonami]

I participated in a single barrel selection of PVW 23 a few years back. Yielded a whopping 35 bottles.

So that barrel yielded about 7 gallons of bourbon.

"On a twenty-three-year-old barrel, the angels’ share is about fifty gallons out of the original fifty-three, which partly explains Van Winkle 23’s heart-stopping expense."

Wow. Is this accurate? That's a huge lost to factor for and planned.

0.9 * (0.95^22) * 53 gallons = 15.43 gallons

That's going be a happy angel in any case.

Cheers

--Hugh

My guess is that the numbers don't really reflect the actual evaporation rate. The first year, there's a lot of loss because the wood absorbs so much of the whiskey. Over time while the barrel is mostly full then evaporation should be pretty slow, but as the bourbon gets lower, the evaporation rate proportional to the amount of total bourbon in the barrel increases because surface area (bourbon barrel) is the same, but the volume of liquid inside is the same. It's possible that the evaporation rate might be 2-2.5 gallons a year (~5% at the original volume), but as the volume gets lower the percentage is higher.

[dgonano]

Don't forget the water added to bring the proof down to 95.6. So only 5 gallons were squeezed from barrel. When sb.com and KBS did three 23yr Pappy's back in 2007, the output in bottles was 57,93, 81.