New Mash Bills from LDI/MGP

[cowdery]

Speaking of which, I wonder if there's an ice cube's chance in hell that they'd resurrect the original rye mashbill of 95% unmalted rye/5% malted rye, for a 100% rye whiskey...the way it was before Seagram's switched the malted rye content to malted barley?

Probably not because, if anything, malted rye has only gotten more expensive.

[jburlowski]

I compare them to Buffalo Trace, a distillery of similar size and vintage. Buffalo Trace has a lot more experience with straight whiskey. What is now MGP of Indiana has mostly made ingredient whiskeys for blends, not straights that have to stand on their own. Of the four whiskey recipes MGP is making now, only one is a bona fide winner. Buffalo Trace, by contrast, limits itself to four whiskey recipes; two rye-recipe bourbons, one wheat-recipe bourbon, and one rye, and is the master of them all.

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Chuck,

Doesn't BT also make a corn whiskey (for their blends)?

[mark fleetwood]

Its great to see that facility kicking up its heals once more, after having been cast around, stocks taken advantage of, and poorly/mis/undermanaged for some time, including a stint as the northern most colony of Trinidad. She`s a source of pride for Lawrenceburg, much more so than the tawdry gambling boats or the collection of Four Finger Freddy Fireworks outlets.

[tmckenzie]

Probably not because, if anything, malted rye has only gotten more expensive.

Malted rye is not that big a difference in price than barley malt last load I got. 2 cents a pound higher. If you get it from the right folks.

[oknazevad]

Chuck,

Doesn't BT also make a corn whiskey (for their blends)?

No, according to this thread: http://www.straightbourbon.com/forums/showthread.php?4978-Buffalo-Trace-Mash-Bills

[cowdery]

Chuck,

Doesn't BT also make a corn whiskey (for their blends)?

They might, but they never talk about it when they talk about their five recipes.

[cowdery]

Malted rye is not that big a difference in price than barley malt last load I got. 2 cents a pound higher. If you get it from the right folks.

Speaking of which, I just learned that Four Roses is exclusively using Danish and German rye to get the robust flavor they want. Canadian rye ain't good enough for them.

My dad was an engineer for a big manufacturer, Tom. Figuring our a way to take 2 cents out of the product cost was a good day for him. You luxury producers have it easy.

[tanstaafl2]

I compare them to Buffalo Trace, a distillery of similar size and vintage. Buffalo Trace has a lot more experience with straight whiskey. What is now MGP of Indiana has mostly made ingredient whiskeys for blends, not straights that have to stand on their own. Of the four whiskey recipes MGP is making now, only one is a bona fide winner. Buffalo Trace, by contrast, limits itself to four whiskey recipes; two rye-recipe bourbons, one wheat-recipe bourbon, and one rye, and is the master of them all. Can MGP be the master of 10, 12, or more different recipes? At best, it'll probably take some time.

Edited April 4, 2013 by tanstaafl2

[squire]

Tom you do your own mashing, can you speak to the difference in these rye grains?

[cowdery]

Is the CEHT rye supposed to be ongoing? I thought it was a one-off.

Anyway, the 'traditional' five BT recipes are the two rye-recipe bourbons, wheat recipe bourbon, rye, and vodka (Rain).

[WAINWRIGHT]

I was under the impression that the SmB,SB,BP and Rye will all be annual releases from here on out am I wrong on this one?

[tanstaafl2]

Is the CEHT rye supposed to be ongoing? I thought it was a one-off.

Anyway, the 'traditional' five BT recipes are the two rye-recipe bourbons, wheat recipe bourbon, rye, and vodka (Rain).

The way the CEHT rye seems to be selling, or rather not selling (still see it pretty frequently on the shelf in Atlanta) it may well be a one-off unless they lower the price to something like the SmB $40ish range.

I liked it but at $70 I am not likely to buy more anytime soon. $40ish and I might consider it.

[cowdery]

I think only one of the Taylors is supposed to be ongoing, as in an annual release. I don't recall which one it is but it's one of the bourbons, not the rye. I think the rye was a one-off. I'm not going back and consulting my notes, just answering from memory, so I might be wrong.

[tmckenzie]

Tom you do your own mashing, can you speak to the difference in these rye grains?

there is more variation in the flavor and yeild of rye grain than any other grain I have ever dealt with. frankly the stuff is a pain in the rear.