Vintage 17

[flahute]

Drew Kulsveen confirmed this on twitter and it has since been relayed/reported by a couple bloggers.

[Ejmharris]

Drew Kulsveen confirmed this on twitter and it has since been relayed/reported by a couple bloggers.

[Lost Pollito]

Drew Kulsveen confirmed this on twitter and it has since been relayed/reported by a couple bloggers.

[Kwats7]

What exactly was confirmed?

Drew confirmed to Sku that the font on the back is irrelevant as to re: whether the juice inside is Rye or Wheated.

Here's a link to the story on RW&B:

http://redwhiteandbourbon.com/2014/03/13/mythbusters-vintage-17-font-irrelevant/

[Ejmharris]

As far as I can tell from the comments in the blog, SKU just retweeted something he has seen on twitter. Will let him confirm that. Pretty sure people here are not questioning whether or not this label thing is legit or not. It is the larger picture of not trusting the half truths that run rampant with NDP's. I understand they probably have contracts and can't release the source but they also do well for themselves amongst non-connoisseurs insinuating that they have made the bourbon or rye inside. I say this all and I still enjoy buying Willett products, mostly because I think they do put out stuff I enjoy and not because I trust a single thing they say.

As a qualifier, Smooth Ambler and High West are not included in this misleading marketing about their source.

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[flahute]

Sku retweeted Kulsveen's tweet, and since Kulsveen is Willett, that's info straight from the source. So basically Willett is saying, "we don't know who started this rumor that you can tell it's a wheater by the font on the label, but it's not true and we should should know since we bottled the stuff."

So, despite this being on the internet, it's straight from the source so that carries some water, no?

[squire]

Still doesn't tell us a darn thing about what it is though.

[MyOldKyDram]

Would still like to hear any insight or recollections on where the wheater info originally came from.

[Old Dusty]

Would still like to hear any insight or recollections on where the wheater info originally came from.

Think it was that "Alden" guy who posted about 8,000 times in three weeks than disappeared. Or Bill Nye the Science Guy.

[Ejmharris]

Sku retweeted Kulsveen's tweet, and since Kulsveen is Willett, that's info straight from the source. So basically Willett is saying, "we don't know who started this rumor that you can tell it's a wheater by the font on the label, but it's not true and we should should know since we bottled the stuff."

So, despite this being on the internet, it's straight from the source so that carries some water, no?

I don't know Drew at all so I will have to take him for his word that the labeling doesn't matter. I do think it is telling that no info is given about when the wheat or rye bourbons were bottled. It is a product you have no idea what is in it except for how old it is. Which is exactly the problem with NDP's for many people, including myself.

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[WAINWRIGHT]

Would still like to hear any insight or recollections on where the wheater info originally came from.

I would as well,because you sure had me fooled.Wheater vs. Rye there were obviously multiple sources as I have had bottles with great variation I never made any reference to the label though.

[TomH]

Would still like to hear any insight or recollections on where the wheater info originally came from.

My memory is not 100% trustworthy as I get older and have killed my brain cells from this hobby but to the best of my recollection.....When KBD released the wheated version of Vintage 17 someone noted that the print font on the newly released bottles were different than the earlier bottles. Have not had the opportunity to talk with Drew since this came out (and not sure if he would be willing to add any more info), but what I guessing is that the story is that the potential exists that some wheat may have been released in bottles prior to the label change or since the wheated Vintage 17 was released KBD may have had additional releases that may have contained rye bourbon. All I know is that the bottles I purchased were confirmed to be wheated bourbon by a KBD representative.

[sku]

So I had posted something on the LA Whiskey Society site showing the difference between the script and regular print back label and explaining that was the way to tell the difference. Drew linked to that site and Tweeted, "FYI, If you think you can tell the difference between the Rye vs Wheat version by the label you're plain wrong." I replied, asking him if there was any way to tell the difference, and he said "only way to tell is just by taste."

My guess is that the script changed around the same time that the wheater came out, which led to the conventional wisdom, but since then, they may have changed recipes without making any change to the script, but that's just conjecture.

[WAINWRIGHT]

This makes perfect sense and an undefinable timeline to which the stocks truly changed from a ryed mashbill to a wheated.

[squire]

If they ever changed, or were mixed together, or the sources changed. The only thing KBD has stated (on the label) is that the whisky is 17 years old.

[MauiSon]

Darn, felt so secure I had the wheated version and now it's all up-in-the-air. At least I know how much I paid for it, more or less.

[MyOldKyDram]

Thanks for the info, fellas. The timeline, or lack of a coherent one, makes sense I suppose. Oh well. I've liked the ones I've had well enough regardless of what's inside. And I got them all for a more than fair price. Here's hoping I like the ones I have put back.

Edited April 15, 2014 by MyOldKyDram

[Old Dusty]

Has anyone mentioned the "hang tags"? That along with the font were supposedly the wheated tells. The bottles I have were all bought together and have the straight font and the paper neck tags. And the one I opened and shared was certainly a wheated bourbon. If the font was coincidental to the wheated run then so be it. But if I can't trust the neck tags I just don't know what I believe in anymore.:cool:

[MyOldKyDram]

Think I'll take the hang tags off of mine and go put them on random KBD bottles at the store. :/

[Old Dusty]

Think I'll take the hang tags off of mine and go put them on random KBD bottles at the store. :/

Better yet put them on Jefferson's Ocean bottles or Old Blowhard.

[Ejmharris]

... "only way to tell is just by taste."

Can we change the V17 reference to this one as the Mystery Dum Dum Sucker 17. The only way to tell is the taste. Maybe even MDDS17.

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[Josh]

Can we change the V17 reference to this one as the Mystery Dum Dum Sucker 17.

No, "Mystery DumDum Sucker" is already my nickname.

[Ejmharris]

No, "Mystery DumDum Sucker" is already my nickname.

Made me lol in the middle of a work meeting.

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[gblick]

Are they still releasing new bottles of V17? I haven't seen any in a couple of years it seems.

[Kwats7]

Are they still releasing new bottles of V17? I haven't seen any in a couple of years it seems.

it was discontinued, and probably won't be coming back (though I hope i'm proven wrong).