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I took the Barton / 1792 / Tom Moore tour during the sampler. I learned:

-Bourbon has to be between 51% and 80% corn. If over 80%, then it's corn whiskey, not bourbon.

-Bourbon (with no mention of the word Straight) has to be aged a min. of 2 years

I did learn that BT is aging Weller barrels at Barton.

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Is there a doubler there? There was a question about that.

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A few of us toured there a couple years back. Can't recall any incorrect things said by the guide but wasn't paying much attention as she was damn cute :grin:.

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Guide said there was a doubler.

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A few of us toured there a couple years back. Can't recall any incorrect things said by the guide but wasn't paying much attention as she was damn cute :grin:.

Ah yes, such Joy-ful memories...:D

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I have had folks who know say their is and old worn out doubler, but it is not used. It is on the roof. I am also, told, but do not know if anything is to it, Paging Chuck, that Barton will be closed down for good. The distilling plant.

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I have had folks who know say their is and old worn out doubler, but it is not used. It is on the roof. I am also, told, but do not know if anything is to it, Paging Chuck, that Barton will be closed down for good. The distilling plant.
We were at the gift shop and they said they will be distilling big time real soon as they got a contract with someone to distill for them.
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They didn't indicate that meant they were going to quit making their own stuff.

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I'm bored with Barton rumors. If you have questions about Barton, ask Mark Brown. He'll answer you.

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I took the Barton / 1792 / Tom Moore tour during the sampler. I learned:

-Bourbon has to be between 51% and 80% corn. If over 80%, then it's corn whiskey, not bourbon.

-Bourbon (with no mention of the word Straight) has to be aged a min. of 2 years

I did learn that BT is aging Weller barrels at Barton.

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Aging Weller in Bardstown? Really? Do you suspect that means what will be Pappy also will age at Bardstown too? I guess they expect Weller name can withstand any possible change that different warehouses may bring.
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If it's true, no one should be unhappy. I'd rather have my bourbon in those airy, hilltop steel clads than in cramped masonry down in that river valley.

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I have had folks who know say their is and old worn out doubler, but it is not used. It is on the roof. I am also, told, but do not know if anything is to it, Paging Chuck, that Barton will be closed down for good. The distilling plant.

Did you hear this recently? There were a lot of rumors going around after the sale to Sazerac.

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I took the Barton / 1792 / Tom Moore tour during the sampler. I learned:

-Bourbon has to be between 51% and 80% corn. If over 80%, then it's corn whiskey, not bourbon.

-Bourbon (with no mention of the word Straight) has to be aged a min. of 2 years

I did learn that BT is aging Weller barrels at Barton.

Wade - I recently saw an article penned in 2004 that said the same thing .. Bourbon between 51% & 79%. But after betting a dollar on it .. I lost. Corn at 80%+ cannot be aged in charcoal barrels. The regulation has changed a few times since it read that (1964 I believe). For example, the Baby Hudson bourbon has more than 80% corn.

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Wade was kidding because what he was told is wrong. The rules haven't changed, they're just widely misunderstood. Bourbon has to be at least 51% corn but there is not now nor has there ever been a maximum. Bourbon can be 100% corn. The small grains are optional. Corn whiskey has to be at least 80% corn but can also be 100% corn. Again, the small grains are optional. The difference between corn whiskey and bourbon is that bourbon must be aged in new charred barrels, whereas corn whiskey does not have to be aged. If corn whiskey is aged, it cannot be aged in new charred barrels, because that's makes it bourbon.

Somebody owes you a dollar.

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Aarrghh . . . . . . . .

Oh man --- I hope the rumors are untrue, friend.

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Wade was kidding because what he was told is wrong. The rules haven't changed, they're just widely misunderstood. Bourbon has to be at least 51% corn but there is not now nor has there ever been a maximum. Bourbon can be 100% corn. The small grains are optional. Corn whiskey has to be at least 80% corn but can also be 100% corn. Again, the small grains are optional. The difference between corn whiskey and bourbon is that bourbon must be aged in new charred barrels, whereas corn whiskey does not have to be aged. If corn whiskey is aged, it cannot be aged in new charred barrels, because that's makes it bourbon.

Somebody owes you a dollar.

Thanks! Unfortunately .. I had just read it had to be between 51 & 79% and I was on the wrong side. An inexpensive education & lesson in humility. Well ... maybe not humility! :grin:

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Wade was kidding because what he was told is wrong. The rules haven't changed, they're just widely misunderstood. Bourbon has to be at least 51% corn but there is not now nor has there ever been a maximum. Bourbon can be 100% corn. The small grains are optional. Corn whiskey has to be at least 80% corn but can also be 100% corn. Again, the small grains are optional. The difference between corn whiskey and bourbon is that bourbon must be aged in new charred barrels, whereas corn whiskey does not have to be aged. If corn whiskey is aged, it cannot be aged in new charred barrels, because that's makes it bourbon.
Thanks! Unfortunately .. I had just read it had to be between 51 & 79% and I was on the wrong side. An inexpensive education & lesson in humility. Well ... maybe not humility! :grin:

So, is there such a creature? A 100% corn (or nearly 100%, maybe 95/5) mashbill aged in charred oak to make it a Bourbon, I mean?

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