Familial blends that synergize like the SB blend.

[shoshani]

I was introduced to WT 101 in the mid 60s so the whisky would've been distilled in the late 50s when work was still done by hand rather than relying on computer controls. The brand stayed remarkably consistent for decades thereafter but changes in recent years have shifted the flavor profile, and not for the better.

Did they introduce computer controls in recent years? I figure the new distillery is topped to the gills with them.

I've half a mind to buy a case of 101 now and put it away for a few years just in case the make of the new distillery is inferior to the old. My guess, though, is that as the new distillate comes of age they'll vat it with the old distillery's bourbon in varying proportions until the market is weaned onto the new stuff.

[black mamba]

My guess, though, is that as the new distillate comes of age they'll vat it with the old distillery's bourbon in varying proportions until the market is weaned onto the new stuff.

My understanding is that's what was done with the PVW 15 (and maybe others too) until 2011 was the first year of all BT juice. Even their "weaning" couldn't keep the difference from being obvious.

[tanstaafl2]

My understanding is that's what was done with the PVW 15 (and maybe others too) until 2011 was the first year of all BT juice. Even their "weaning" couldn't keep the difference from being obvious.

It may well be different but the new all BT PVW15 is pretty darn good as well!

[ChainWhip]

TPS is no longer available to me, but I've always wanted to play around with vatting different proportions of the 10 recipes.

[Flyfish]

TPS is no longer available to me, but I've always wanted to play around with vatting different proportions of the 10 recipes.

Would you not end up with Yellow Label?

[oke&coke]

Would you not end up with Yellow Label?

Yes but at a higher proof.

[squire]

Would you not end up with Yellow Label?

That was my first thought as well then I realized 4R is blending to please the most customers possible and I'm blending just to suit myself.

[ChainWhip]

Oh I don't now about all 10 recipes in the same vatting, but it'd be fun to mix & match with so many options to suit my taste.

[HighInTheMtns]

Four Roses Custom Small Batch Extremely Limited 2013.

[fishnbowljoe]

Makes sense - if WT is now bottling the better stuff into higher end offerings (Russell's, Rare Breed, Kentucky Spirit etc), maybe putting them back together in some proportion you might get close to the WT101 as it was 20 yrs ago? A fool's errand? Would be very interested in anyone's vatting that might re-create something close to the old 101 ... I've never had it so I don't have a point of reference to compare to ...

I know I posted in the vatting thread about this one once, but I'll share it again. I once did a vatting of WTRR 10/90 and WTRB, using a 1:1 ratio. The result was pretty darn tasty. IMHO, It had a very nice resemblance to the old WTRR 10/101. YMMV.

[393foureyedfox]

Four Roses Custom Small Batch Extremely Limited 2013.

give it time, there will be something named as such. First there was small batch, then single barrel, then limited edition....what's next in the 'look-what-I'VE-got' category?

[oke&coke]

Now that I think about it, a 4R SB solera bottle might not be a bad idea. The last pour of different barrels, recipes and proofs might make a good personal bottle.

[hn4bourbon]

That might be a possible marketing strategy for 4roses. Blend your own! Not that people are not doing it already but they can definitely make a push from marketing end. They could start out by sharing some example recipes and the masses can go crazy with it.

[tigerlam92]

This one is on my vatting notes from a few years ago when all this was available and not crazy expensive. Not familial but it works;

Equal parts Vintage 23 Rye, Saz 18 Rye and High West 21.

Very intrigue with this. I have all three open at the moment so will try. I think I can guess the reasoning behind this.

Cheers

[sutton]

I know I posted in the vatting thread about this one once, but I'll share it again. I once did a vatting of WTRR 10/90 and WTRB, using a 1:1 ratio. The result was pretty darn tasty. IMHO, It had a very nice resemblance to the old WTRR 10/101. YMMV.

Joe - thanks! I missed that one - I'll give this a try -

[ChainWhip]

This one is a dusty vatting -- OGD BiB and OGD 86 both from ND -- 1:1.

This one is on my vatting notes from a few years ago when all this was available and not crazy expensive. Not familial but it works;

Equal parts Vintage 23 Rye, Saz 18 Rye and High West 21.

I've done this with Hirsch22:Saz18 in a 1:1 proportion and it's really good - probably even better if I add some HW21 into that mix to stretch out the wood a little... Thanks for the idea!

[JKLS]

I like to make a Bourye with AE bourbon and AE rye. So far only tried it 1:1, but it's really nice! The dry bourbon is picked up by the sweet & spicy rye, and the sweetness of the rye is mellowed out by the bourbon.

I have more rye than bourbon, so after the bourbon is gone I will probably try mixing the AE Rye with other LDI ryes. I find the the AE Rye too sweet and most LDI ryes too thin so I think it should work nicely. Makes the AE Rye more than an after dinner digestif.

[HighInTheMtns]

give it time, there will be something named as such. First there was small batch, then single barrel, then limited edition....what's next in the 'look-what-I'VE-got' category?

That's not Four Roses' game. They release great whiskey. Their releases have been exceptional. Despite the long names, they are the last to blame.

[Quantum]

That might be a possible marketing strategy for 4roses. Blend your own! Not that people are not doing it already but they can definitely make a push from marketing end. They could start out by sharing some example recipes and the masses can go crazy with it.

If they ran this the same way as the private barrel selections, I wonder how much of a premium they would have to charge for a private small batch? I guess it comes down to the smallest size batch they can blend, at an economically feasible cost.

[sailor22]

When some of the local boys were at HH picking barrels for their retail store they happened to mix the top two picks into one glass. They thought the result was better than either alone so they requested their two barrels be mingled before bottling. The result was a very small batch of EC12. They really didn't give a thought to ratios or how much was in each barrel so the result was pretty much left to chance. The result was good Bourbon.

Barrels that have been mingled and then left to age somewhat longer - ie the old Rye residing at KBD - seem to have a good track record. Every instance I have heard of has been familial batching. Seems there could be some interesting juice produced by cross family mingling and additional aging.

Perhaps a NDP has done the same and has barrels resting that will produce something special.

Would be very interested in the result of an interesting Bourye mingling put to rest in second use barrels for a number of extra years.

Edited December 3, 2013 by sailor22

[jaycamm]

Julio's did a micro batch of 2 OWA barrels. The results were quite nice.

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[Restaurant man]

4 roses single and OGD 114. 50/50. Pretty damn good.

[Ejmharris]

As far from a familial blend as possible, but didn't want to start a new thread when this one was close enough. Did a little Gillmamizing tonight. ECBP was tasting a little rye spicy tonight, so I mixed a little AE Rye. The irony that I mixed a rye into a bourbon that was tasting a little too spicey is not lost on me, but the AE rye is all maple syrup and sweet candy to me. The high proof of the ECBP mixed with the liquid candy AE worked really well. Not one I would want to hit all the time but worked for me tonight.

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[Old Dusty]

I've done this with Hirsch22:Saz18 in a 1:1 proportion and it's really good