White Oak

[sailor22]

I thought all the wood used in Bourbon barrels was yard dried. If it's kiln dried isn't that akin to toasting? Wouldn't that create a different flavor set in the wood?

[TheNovaMan]

That's true, some of the blend is, but most of ET is still aged in new barrels. I was thinking of removing the new char influence entirely,

[sutton]

I thought all the wood used in Bourbon barrels was yard dried. If it's kiln dried isn't that akin to toasting? Wouldn't that create a different flavor set in the wood?

[squire]

I believe yard drying is the exception. Most of the blanks are kiln dried before going through the barrel making process the last step of which is charring the interior.

Timber is a crop and just as with wine grapes, corn or any other agricultural product weather can delay harvesting.

[squire]

Come to think of it the idea's kinda silly. What would a barrel shortage today have to do with whisky that was put down to age more than four years ago.

[393foureyedfox]

Come to think of it the idea's kinda silly. What would a barrel shortage today have to do with whisky that was put down to age more than four years ago.

why does an impending hurricane drive gas prices up today?

........speculation

[callmeox]

Recall the premise of the thread and source of the information. Not knocking the OP, but stores are not the greatest source of bourbon pipeline information.

[squire]

Unfortunately that's true, store owners are the last link of the information chain. Kinda like asking the private on guard duty what the base commander is thinking.

[oke&coke]

I would like to see some Bourbon recipe whisky aged in reuse barrels. It wouldn't be Bourbon of course, not so robust or sweet, but certainly could be a richly flavored whisky in a lighter style.

Hirsch does have a bottle of 20yo whiskey distilled from bourbon mash and aged in used barrels. Haven't cracked the bottle yet.

Edited December 18, 2013 by callmeox

[393foureyedfox]

Hirsch does have a bottle of 20yo whiskey distilled from bourbon mash and aged in used barrels. Haven't cracked the bottle yet.

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[oke&coke]

Scotch is aged for 20 years in used barrels.

[callmeox]

unless it was accidentally lost in the warehouse, I can't comprehend why anyone would age something for 20 years in a used barrel. If youre gonna invest 20 years, why skimp? I cant help but think it was something that was lost, or something that they kept tasting it year after year waiting for it to turn into something good, then just saying "phuk it, someone will buy it if we put '20 years' on it". and they'd be right.......

It could be leftover BF distillate that didn't make it into Early Times and you're right that aging to 20 years probably wasn't intentional.

When you're a NDP, you buy what is offered and what you think you can sell. Regardless of motive, put a big ole 20 on the label along with a valued name in bourbon history and people will buy it.

[squire]

oke&coke that's a very generous offer which I appreciate but wouldn't ask you to go to the trouble. I will send a pm though, I have some thoughts about your bottle.

Edited December 18, 2013 by squire

[393foureyedfox]

Scotch is aged for 20 years in used barrels.

yip. and maybe someday theyll figure out that used barrels and peat suck

[squire]

Of course a lot of Bourbon mash bill whisky was distilled and aged in used cooperage by LDI for use in blends. It was never intended to be sold as a straight so it was made and aged as cheaply as possible. When you deal in millions of gallons it only takes a few cancelled orders (non pays, changed requirements, etc) to eventually have hundreds if not a few thousand barrels that were never delivered and just kept on aging because there were no new orders for them.

We have reports of a number of past prime barrels being sold off as redundant when MGPI bought out LDI and I suspect that's the source for various NDP offerings.

[393foureyedfox]

I find the NDP issues to be confusing, misleading, and usually overpriced. I'm making a point not to buy anymore of them, with the occasional WFE as possible exceptions

[oke&coke]

Still, my reason for getting this bottle was not because of the name or age but because it is something different. It will make a good contrast to a bourbon and I can see for myself what a barrel can and can't do. It may be good it may not. I buy some bottles because they taste good and others because I want to broaden my horizons. This one falls under the latter. I make no apologies.

[smokinjoe]

Still, my reason for getting this bottle was not because of the name or age but because it is something different. It will make a good contrast to a bourbon and I can see for myself what a barrel can and can't do. It may be good it may not. I buy some bottles because they taste good and others because I want to broaden my horizons. This one falls under the latter. I make no apologies.

I think most of us think the same way, O&O. It's why we're on this forum. If not to try new things, learn more about whiskey and our own reactions to it, and broaden our horizons, why bother, right?

:toast:

[squire]

Still, my reason for getting this bottle was not because of the name or age but because it is something different. It will make a good contrast to a bourbon and I can see for myself what a barrel can and can't do. It may be good it may not. I buy some bottles because they taste good and others because I want to broaden my horizons. This one falls under the latter. I make no apologies.

Excellent reason, that could almost be a statement of purpose for most of us around here.

[Flyfish]

Scotch is aged for 20 years in used barrels.

I understand that aging Scotch takes longer than bourbon because of climate differences between Scotland and KY. What do you suppose would happen to Scotch if they aged it in new barrels? New chewing gum sure has more flavor than a stick that has already been chewed.

[sailor22]

unless it was accidentally lost in the warehouse, I can't comprehend why anyone would age something for 20 years in a used barrel. If youre gonna invest 20 years, why skimp? I cant help but think it was something that was lost, or something that they kept tasting it year after year waiting for it to turn into something good, then just saying "phuk it, someone will buy it if we put '20 years' on it". and they'd be right.......

[oke&coke]

The climate does factor into the aging but I think that the fact is the barrels have already given up a lot of their influence in the first use. This allows scotch distilleries to age the product for longer without over oaking. If you haven't done so I would suggest trying an american made malt whiskey that uses new charred barrels, Corsair Triple Smoke is a good one. The wood influence is a lot heavier to the point of drowning out the grain flavors. The fact is that malt has a much more delicate flavor then rye or corn so in my opinion is much better suited to aging in used barrels then bourbon or rye.

[MyOldKyDram]

Or an actual scotchyscotch aged in new oak, like Ealanta. More bourbony in the barrel influence certainly, but still not at the level a similarly aged bourbon would be. I'd say climate plays a rather large role for sure.

[sutton]

How about comparison to a Grenore 8 or 15? Grain whisky in aged cooperage, no?

[oke&coke]

Or an actual scotchyscotch aged in new oak, like Ealanta. More bourbony in the barrel influence certainly, but still not at the level a similarly aged bourbon would be. I'd say climate plays a rather large role for sure.

I do agree and I'm not discounting weather as a factor, just speaking about the barrels role independent of climate.