Evan Williams 1783

[JPBoston]

Just wanted to get a fresh discussion going on 1783... it's newly available in my area and I'd like to see everyone's thoughts on it. Specifically, what separates it from the black label and the BiB.

I know it used to be age stated... but I don't know what it offers in comparison now.

What do you guys think about it?

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[mosugoji64]

I haven't had a recent bottle, but had one a few years ago before it was labeled "Small Batch." That bottle was loaded with a candied corn husk flavor that I enjoyed quite a bit. I currently have a bottle of the 10yr that has that unique old HH flavor. If you've had EC18, it's similar to that but with less of the pronounced oak flavor. Now that it's available here it's on my "to-buy" list. Give us your thoughts on what the new version is like.

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[TunnelTiger]

To me it's just meh, not worth the extra $.

[jonhalter]

In these parts its the same price as EW black for the 750ml. I like it well enough. Not spectacular, but a decent sip.

[squire]

Twenty years ago there were these three, in order of price:

a) Evan Williams black label, 7 years old, 90 proof.

Evan Williams 1783, 10 years old, 86 proof.

c) Old 1889 Royal, 12 years old, 86 proof.

1783 was a step up from EWB in fullness, richness and complexity, not by much, just enough to justify a higher cost. 1889 Royall was just a little older and priced just a little higher. Frankly, I thought 1889 was the simplest profile of the three and slightly woody. I always suspected that's what HH did with leftover whisky that had gotten older.

1783 was Master Distiller Parker Beams favorite in the times before small batch/single barrel, etcs, and was my choice as well. Today the EWB and 1783 are so close I would have to see the label to be sure which one I was drinking.

[mbroo5880i]

Do you know the significance of 1889 relative to EW?

[squire]

I believe 1889 was an old Dowling brand that HH picked up along the way. I don't think it had any significance, just another label to use offering a 12/86 in the competitive price category.

I believe 1889 was created originally for the Kansas City area and the name Royal may have had some connection to that city.

[Brisko]

Since 1783 became available here a few months ago I have done a few informal head-to-heads with EWB. They are more similar than different to my taste. I do find a big hint of nutmeg in 1783 that is absent in EWB. If i had to guess i would say that EWB is in the 6 to 7 year old range, and that 1783 is similar but with 10 to 20% older whiskey in the mix (say 10 years or more). I usually keep both on hand.

[PaulO]

I found EW 1783 to be one of the better low priced bourbons @ $10 - $11. Compared to EW black label, the 1783 had much less of the eucalyptus and pepper taste.

[JPBoston]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get around to trying it soon enough, but it's always fun to read up on everyone's thoughts.

There seems to be a bit of a pricing oddity here. EWB is $14.99 for a handle, while 1783 goes for $27. EW White is also $27, I'm just about to finish my first bottle, and find it quite enjoyable.... just seems odd that 1783 would be the same price.

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[Grain Belt]

Thanks for the replies. I'll get around to trying it soon enough, but it's always fun to read up on everyone's thoughts.

There seems to be a bit of a pricing oddity here. EWB is $14.99 for a handle, while 1783 goes for $27. EW White is also $27, I'm just about to finish my first bottle, and find it quite enjoyable.... just seems odd that 1783 would be the same price.

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I love EW 1783 and really love EW White. However I am also a cheap SOB and would have trouble drinking anything but $15 EWB. Here in MN I have seen OF for 13.99 and OFS BIB for 27 at the same store! It's a funny world.

[Young Blacksmith]

I have the reverse conundrum. EW 1783 can usually be found for about $12-$13, and EWB is almost $17! price gougers!

[Merrymash Monk]

Just recently had 1783 for the first time. I'm a fan too. To me it has enough more taste and nose over the EWB as to be worth the few extra bucks that it cost me.

EWB, BIB or 1783: all are so reasonably priced that its not worth fussing too much about which one costs more.

Edited January 8, 2014 by Merrymash Monk

[squire]

I think a lot of people would agree with you there MM.

[dSculptor]

I bought that last month - $20 liter .. Good pour for the money, I liked enough to email hh and ask what the age is now -- they told me 6 yo.On my buds it was a little less sweet than the ewb. Both good value bourbons.. hey I just made another abrev. for out here ... GVB.

[HighHorse]

I consider 1783 a very good value pour. It's the well brand on the porch here in Tallahassee so it gets a lot of exposure. I drink it on ice .. and find it to be a comfortable sweet caramel bourbon at one hell of a price. Here we're talking $12 or $13 for a 750 .. so I don't quite understand what the big deal is about the extra bucks for this bottle. I mean .. damn .. how many bourbon loving guys here are springing for under $13 bottles of whiskey? Nowadays a freaking cocktail cost that much! :shocked: I have managed to grab a few of the old 10 year old bottles from some dusty shelves and that was very good stuff.

[Grain Belt]

I consider 1783 a very good value pour. It's the well brand on the porch here in Tallahassee so it gets a lot of exposure. I drink it on ice .. and find it to be a comfortable sweet caramel bourbon at one hell of a price. Here we're talking $12 or $13 for a 750 .. so I don't quite understand what the big deal is about the extra bucks for this bottle. I mean .. damn .. how many bourbon loving guys here are springing for under $13 bottles of whiskey? Nowadays a freaking cocktail cost that much! :shocked: I have managed to grab a few of the old 10 year old bottles from some dusty shelves and that was very good stuff.

[JPBoston]

Nobody complained about the cost. I just simply raised the question as to why it's TWICE the price of EWB, and the same exact price as EW White (in my area).

My thanks to those who were able to answer this simple question.... without the righteous indignation.

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[Grain Belt]

Nobody complained about the cost. I just simply raised the question as to why it's TWICE the price of EWB, and the same exact price as EW White (in my area).

My thanks to those who were able to answer this simple question.... without the righteous indignation.

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I believe if you reread the posts on cost you will find the posters were stating the price in their area and comparing it to EWB. I didn't feel people were taking a swipe at your post. I think they are just comparing their impression of the value of the EW line of bourbons based on their experience. I apologize if my post was taken another way. In MN 1783 is on the expensive side. At my local a 1L of 1783 is 18.99 and 1L of EWBIB is 17.50. A handle (1.75) of EWB is 21 and to compare apples a 1L bottle is 14. Do I feel the 1783 is worth the extra dollars? Yes I can taste the exra age and hint of wood influence. Also I really enjoy the entire line including most years of EWSB.

[HighHorse]

Nobody complained about the cost. I just simply raised the question as to why it's TWICE the price of EWB, and the same exact price as EW White (in my area).

My thanks to those who were able to answer this simple question.... without the righteous indignation.

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Sorry, JP ... No swipe intended.. although I must confess that righteous indignation can be a hoot and it does creep out from time to time. We have a saying on the porch that it's no place for the thin-skinned. Trust me .. it's all in good fun. But .. to follow up on your response .. my question would be why EWB is half the price of 1783? Are you telling me it's less than $10.00? Anyway ... I'll just sip on my 1783 and STFU. Cheers!

[JPBoston]

Sorry, JP ... No swipe intended.. although I must confess that righteous indignation can be a hoot and it does creep out from time to time. We have a saying on the porch that it's no place for the thin-skinned. Trust me .. it's all in good fun. But .. to follow up on your response .. my question would be why EWB is half the price of 1783? Are you telling me it's less than $10.00? Anyway ... I'll just sip on my 1783 and STFU. Cheers!

Haha... the "righteous indignation" line was aimed at the post after yours, which I forgot to quote.

Prices in my area (1.75L)

EWB: $14.99

EW:W: $26.99

1783: $26.99

So that's the basis of my question. I get the price jump for 100 proof bonded juice, but 1783 seems much closer to EWB to be the same price as the bonded.

Obviously $27 for a handle of solid quality bourbon isn't exactly a bad deal... I was just curious of peoples opinion of it (1783, that is)

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[Enoch]

I have never tasted the newer 1783. There is a small out of the way store around here that has ample supply of the 10 year AS bottles. $15 for 750s and $3 for 200s (I actually bought all the 200s). He still has around 8 cases of the 750s. I really enjoy the AS stuff and at these prices I think quite a bargain. I have been tempted to buy a new bottle and compare but fear I won't like it as much and then be pissed as I will feel obligated to drink it. Ps he also has a ton of 7year EWB

[squire]

It would appear then you're set, at least for awhile.

[393foureyedfox]

I have never tasted the newer 1783. There is a small out of the way store around here that has ample supply of the 10 year AS bottles. $15 for 750s and $3 for 200s (I actually bought all the 200s). He still has around 8 cases of the 750s. I really enjoy the AS stuff and at these prices I think quite a bargain. I have been tempted to buy a new bottle and compare but fear I won't like it as much and then be pissed as I will feel obligated to drink it. Ps he also has a ton of 7year EWB

If you like it, then I'd go load up!

[Dannabis]

I enjoy the newer EW 1783 I've been sipping. It doesn't blow me away, but it has a slightly different profile than the HH and EW I get in other bottles.

My 1783 has a woodier nose with more oak and sawdust with a hint of pine. I can definitely get some corn husk notes and a little candy corn from the body.

It doesn't taste particularly premium, but I find it a decent sipper.