Jim Beam Bonded?

[Guest]

It has been quite a while since I have thought about or seen anyone mention this stuff, who here buys it regularly?

My last bottle was about two years ago around the time it was reintroduced into the Australian market, and I enjoyed its higher proof, but cant remember much else about it.

Recently I have stumbled across a few "dusties", the old label stuff from the early 2000's, havent pulled the trigger but really want to simply because its rare, would anyone here consider this older expression much different to the current release?

[jaycamm]

Unfortunately, Bonded Beam is not available in the States.

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[393foureyedfox]

Id sure try one if I saw it, but its not available here. I would imagine it to be a young KC in taste

[squire]

Unfortunately, Bonded Beam is not available in the States.

Sure we do but here it's called Knob Creek.

[jaycamm]

I doubt bonded beam is 9 years old.

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[squire]

It is when it wears a Knob Creek label.

[zillah]

Isn't Old Tub, sold in the Jim Beam Visitors center, essentially the only bonded Jim Beam in America?

Edited January 17, 2014 by zillah

[callmeox]

If Knob Creek was bonded, it would say so on the label. I'm not sure why people feel the need to confuse others.

[dcbt]

I won't pretend to be a Knob Creek expert, but I did read an article recently that said some brands intentionally choose not to mention "bond" on their label even if it technically meets the requirements because they deem the labeling passé.

[suntour]

I would agree that Old Tub BIB is essentially Bonded Beam. And as much as I want to like it, its no "Baby Knob". When you water it to 80 proof it tastes nearly identical to ... you get the idea.

[callmeox]

I won't pretend to be a Knob Creek expert, but I did read an article recently that said some brands intentionally choose not to mention "bond" on their label even if it technically meets the requirements because they deem the labeling passé.

That is one idea but an alternate theory is that they don't want to be bothered by the blending limits of the distilling season rule and/or DSP labeling rules.

[Brisko]

If Knob Creek was bonded, it would say so on the label. I'm not sure why people feel the need to confuse others.

I couldn't find the article in five minutes of googling, but I remember reading that Knob meets the requirements for a BIB but they choose not to label it that way. If pressed I would say that it was Cowdery quoting Fred Noe.

I think at one time bonding also had tax implications for the distiller, but I don't know the details of if that is still the case. Perhaps that informs their decision too.

Is Old Bourbon Hollow still available in KY?

[callmeox]

I couldn't find the article in five minutes of googling, but I remember reading that Knob meets the requirements for a BIB but they choose not to label it that way. If pressed I would say that it was Cowdery quoting Fred Noe.

I think at one time bonding also had tax implications for the distiller, but I don't know the details of if that is still the case. Perhaps that informs their decision too.

Is Old Bourbon Hollow still available in KY?

And Fred Noe's statement should mean as much as when producers tell us that an expression is X years old yet refuse to place the age statement on the label.

[Brisko]

And Fred Noe's statement should mean as much as when producers tell us that an expression is X years old yet refuse to place the age statement on the label.

Hmm, not exactly. I think the greater point in context was that as soon as the batch hits 9 years old, they bottle it. I don't get the impression that he was trying to gild the lily with regard to Knob, rather commenting on how it's composed.

[Josh]

I think Old Bourbon Hollow is still available in KY. That's going to be the closest thing to Bonded Beam that's available anywhere in the US.

[Guest]

I guess I will get both and set up a blind tasting with KC. It has been a while since Ive had any beams, should be interesting.

[squire]

If Knob Creek was bonded, it would say so on the label. I'm not sure why people feel the need to confuse others.

I certainly have no intention of confusing anyone Scott, quite the opposite, my posts are designed for clarity. I thought the tidbit regarding Knob Creek is the sort of detail our members enjoy reading about, at least I know I do. The source of my information is Fred Noe who is on record as saying Knob Creek qualifies as bonded but they (Beam) choose not to label it as such because the term 'bonded' is old fashioned and not well understood by contemporary consumers.

[Grain Belt]

Possibly something is closer than Knob Creek for what a "bonded" Beam would be for us 'mericans. Kirkland's (Costco) 103 proof 7 year old small batch bourbon. It is produced by Beam. There are a few threads on this and it was a bottle of the month last year at some time. I really enjoy the stuff and there is a Costco about 2 miles from my door.

[suntour]

if anybody knows more about old bourbon hollow, please post about it.

[squire]

I've heard Old Bourbon Hollow is/was available in KY and VA but have never seen a bottle in person.

[squire]

if anybody knows more about old bourbon hollow, please post about it.

It's a 4 year old 100 proof BIB made by Beam that was selling for about the same as EWB a few years back. Some reviews posted here ranked it as a step up from JW white but not as complex as JB black. Very limited distribution apparently.

[camduncan]

Here's a link to the Bonded bottle we get here:

http://www.nicks.com.au/jim-beam-bonded-no-12-formula-bourbon-whiskey-700ml

and another:

http://danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_726523/jim-beam-bonded-bourbon-700ml

Sadly, they also sell a pre-mix:

http://danmurphys.com.au/product/DM_365718/jim-beam-bonded-cola-250ml

[mbroo5880i]

Interestingly, I read an article recently that indicated that James Bond was often beamed.

[smokinjoe]

Interestingly, I read an article recently that indicated that James Bond was often beamed.

Is that what Pussy Galore called it?

What the hay...It's Friday...

[deathevocation]

It's ok I guess.