Bad Bottle Support Group

[whiskeyagonzo]

Eric was probably joking but it might be nice to see what similarities and differences we have with bottles we have found offensive. So I will start.

1. HW Double Rye - I found the young LDI over took the older rye in the blend.

2. KCSB - That damn soapy yeasty funk is just offensive to my palate.

3. Noah's Mill (NAS) - I'm still not sure why I don't like this one. By the time the bottle is finished I hope to have a satisfactory reason.

Of all these I only paid for the KCSB. The other two were gifts. Anyway over the past year these are the ones that are still fresh in my memory.

[Auracom]

Current non barrel-selected OWA. I believe another member described this as "brown sugar and alcohol". I think the aroma is bit better than that but it's not far from the truth on the palate. I keep avoiding this bottle every time I look for my next pour. Might have to buy a Weller 12 just to mask it in SB blend.

[393foureyedfox]

its amazing the variety in tastes on here.....like, I, for one, can not grasp what you guys are talking about with "beam funk" or "dickel vitamins", and 'soapy yeast beam funk" is even a new one to me. Every now and then I start to get the HH 'minty' thing understood, yet I like it too.

I love KCSB, its one of my favorites, yet I agree with you on Noahs Mill. While I didnt find it foul, it was a pour at a restaurant that guaranteed Id not be buying a bottle, same with Ezra B 12, which I still swear both have the same source.

Ive had lots of stuff I didnt care for, while not thinking they were horrible. You guys know how I feel about 4R SiB and Sb....not horrible by any means, but just not for me at all. The SiB I had a few weeks ago tasted like licorice and rose petals that had been steeped in bourbon. Not enjoyable in the least.

The only thing Ive just downright thought was horrible was Overholt. I had nothing good to say about it, or any part of it.

[TunnelTiger]

Agree with the OO 4eye! It was hard to mask it even with a lot of mixer. It's amazing to me that something so low in proof can be so vile.

[squire]

I find it remarkable we have such a wide choice we can, well, be choosy. For instance I don't think there's anything wrong with, say, Rebel Yell, yet I don't see any reason to buy any when for about the same price I can get EWB.

[tigerlam92]

Current non barrel-selected OWA. I believe another member described this as "brown sugar and alcohol". I think the aroma is bit better than that but it's not far from the truth on the palate. I keep avoiding this bottle every time I look for my next pour. Might have to buy a Weller 12 just to mask it in SB blend.

My first OWA lasted four years and I consumed maybe a 1/4 bottle. I also couldn't drink it by itself - neat, water, or ice. After mixing it with W12, both bottles were gone in a week. I love the SB blend and is now my daily pour. So I don't think it is a bad bottle but just not quite fit for you (or me) in this state.

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Not sure if this thread is about bad bottles or bottles that we happened to not like that much.

In either case, my contribution is, I still have a THH from 2009 that is still half there. My taste has changed so I can enjoy it a little more now. The bottle is fine. But first four years I drank like four pours at most. Now maybe a pour every month or three.

Actually not sure why I don't go there as much.

[tylermke]

I had a bottle of BMH NAS that sat in my cabinet for about 9 months before I could flask it into a few summer weddings as a mixer. Even then the Coke and ice were hardly a match for it. Never again.

[HighInTheMtns]

I bought a bottle of Beam's 8 Star, heard it was the next Pappy. It wasn't. I'll stick with Sunny Brook.

Seriously though, I don't much like the idea of a thread dedicated to badmouthing bottles.

[callmeox]

I've never had a bad bottle, but I have purchased some awesome learning experiences.

#ImWithJim

[kjbeggs]

I snuck some KCSB on a cruise ship last year, using a metal bottle that had originally contained Zirh Face Wash. (I washed and rinsed it thoroughly multiple times.

When I tried drinking it, I assumed I'd failed in properly prepping the container, because it had a definite soapy aftertaste.

When I got home, I sadly dumped what was left down the drain. Taking a pour a few days later from the KCSB bottle, I noticed the same taste, and assumed my tainted cruise stash had just ruined KCSB for me (As I'd liked the bottles I'd had in the past).

Now, I've heard several others mention the same taste, so maybe it's not just me...

[Thig]

Seriously though, I don't much like the idea of a thread dedicated to badmouthing bottles.

My mom always said if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. But then I don't think bad bottles have feelings.

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[HighInTheMtns]

My mom always said if you can't say something nice don't say anything at all. But then I don't think bad bottles have feelings.

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Nah but threads like this always have a way of generating bad feelings.

There's plenty of great bottles to talk about instead! :toast:

[clindt]

I snuck some KCSB on a cruise ship last year, using a metal bottle that had originally contained Zirh Face Wash. (I washed and rinsed it thoroughly multiple times.

When I tried drinking it, I assumed I'd failed in properly prepping the container, because it had a definite soapy aftertaste.

When I got home, I sadly dumped what was left down the drain. Taking a pour a few days later from the KCSB bottle, I noticed the same taste, and assumed my tainted cruise stash had just ruined KCSB for me (As I'd liked the bottles I'd had in the past).

Now, I've heard several others mention the same taste, so maybe it's not just me...

Empty Listerine bottles are your friend for cruise ships.

[Thig]

I agree I had rather look for the gems than talk about the duds.

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[bad_scientist]

I snuck some KCSB on a cruise ship last year, using a metal bottle that had originally contained Zirh Face Wash. (I washed and rinsed it thoroughly multiple times.

When I tried drinking it, I assumed I'd failed in properly prepping the container, because it had a definite soapy aftertaste.

When I got home, I sadly dumped what was left down the drain. Taking a pour a few days later from the KCSB bottle, I noticed the same taste, and assumed my tainted cruise stash had just ruined KCSB for me (As I'd liked the bottles I'd had in the past).

Now, I've heard several others mention the same taste, so maybe it's not just me...

I used to love KC and KCSB, but the last bottle of KCSB I had is just not at all to my taste. It's candy-coated peanuts, and that's it. Also, I snuck a taste from a bottle of KC at a friend's birthday party last weekend, and couldn't finish it. I wish I knew what in the world is going on, because I have gotten a lot of enjoyment from this label in the past few years. I assume it's me, by the way.

[tigerlam92]

Empty Listerine bottles are your friend for cruise ships.

[black mamba]

Pretty much all of the NDP bottlings I've bought since they lost their age statements. Both Rowan's Creek and Noah's Mill were excellent at 12 and 15 years AS, but since they dropped the numbers they haven't been at all the same quality of pour.

[squire]

Ok, ok then we'll just give the bad bottles probation and let them go with a warning.

[393foureyedfox]

Seriously though, I don't much like the idea of a thread dedicated to badmouthing bottles.

I was hoping it was a "what dont you like and WHY" thread, which would be much more helpful to tasters than thread-bashing.

[smknjoe]

"One man's trash is another man's treasure" is what I think Jim's trying to convey.

Edited February 2, 2014 by smknjoe
Too "wordy"

[squire]

What, we can talk trash?

[DrBob]

Even the worst bourbons I have had are still decent drinks, they just suffer in comparison to other things in the same price range. That said, my most expensive "lesson" was buying of too many of the fancy, expensive, boutique sounding names and finding they all taste like 4 yr LDI/MGP whiskey. Again its not that 4 yr MGP is bad, its just that for the same $40-$50 I could have had 4R1B or WTRB, or ECBP or Stagg Jr. or RRSB, or 4 bottles of about any bottom shelf BIB, or even a decent 10-12yr single malt scotch.

[booma]

I started to read this thread and was surprised it was about labels people didn't enjoy drinking. I was expecting to hear about bottles that had turned. Either it was open for too long and had turned in the bottle or you simply got a bad bottle. Does this ever happen? I remember a mate opened a JBW that he had had for about 10 years. It had floaty bits in it. It didn't look good but drink fairly normal. Like wine, do bottles of bourbon ever go bad or turn?

[sutton]

I haven't noticed any decline or off-taste in bottles opened for years, although I've seen comments about the taste being somewhat diminished or muted, but not "bad".

I'll take it in a slightly different direction - had a good bottle of DSP-1 Old Fitz BiB, but a bottle right behind it bought the same day was dreadful (bottle variation within the brand which surprised me).

A different issue with BMH NAS - had a great pour at a bar, so I bought one and it tasted like alcoholic corn oil (NDP variation and lesson learned).

Both cases the differences were so night and day, not just a bit different. I think the unfortunate thing about it is that, with so many other choices to explore and with repeat purchases of the overwhelming number of positive experiences, I've never gone back to either.

[TunnelTiger]

Lesson learned here too. If I run into a bottle that is dreadful i really don't give the label a second chance. Too much to choose from and it tells me a lot about their "we maintain the taste profile" comments. Nope one and done.