Bottled in Bond's

[squire]

Traditionally the Kentucky distillers would shut down during the hot Summer months so the periods between shutdowns were referred to as distilling seasons.

See new thread.

Edited February 24, 2014 by squire

[Harry in WashDC]

Traditionally the Kentucky distillers would shut down during the hot Summer months so the periods between shutdowns were referred to as distilling seasons.

Makes sense. Also, as I recall from books I've read (CC's B,S & MV's KBW:AAW & some others - mistakes are mine, not theirs), the 1897(?) law that created "straight" and "bonded" had the effect of discouraging rectifiers & others from falsely claiming their products were "the same as" unless they really were and that "bonded" (at least 4 yrs & exactly 100proof from one distillery in one year) was the rule until the 1950s when producers began (a) stretching their product by dropping proof to NLT 80 (if they wanted to call it whiskey) and ( creating new and different products. I guess if you are happy making the same (excellent IMO) thing over & over, the BIB rules are ok. BUT, if consumers are fickle or are seeking new experiences, distillers/blenders must add to their lines to keep our attention. For more & better history, see some other threads or read the books.

ObviousGuy doth so spoke. End of lecture. Now, it's time. :drinking:

[squire]

Interesting the requirements only allowed for one Master Distiller for the entire season. I suppose that was a quality control measure that prevented bringing in a Master in to get the season started then have someone less qualified run the works for the rest of the season.

[VAGentleman]

Interesting the requirements only allowed for one Master Distiller for the entire season. I suppose that was a quality control measure that prevented bringing in a Master in to get the season started then have someone less qualified run the works for the rest of the season.

I could be wrong but I take Distiller to mean the company not the Master Distiller himself

[Harry in WashDC]

Spent awhile this morning immersed in the SB Archive (don't ask why, it's embarrassing) and stumbled across a General Bourbon Discussion circa 2001 titled "Straight" vs. "Bonded" that includes info on the economics of offering officially bonded products vs. identical source, age, and proof NON-bonded. Once I got past the prices we used to pay in 2001-2 for our faves, I could focus on the substance. Some of it answers questions we're raising here.

[squire]

I understand it to be both one distillery and one Master Distiller per season but would have to look that up to provide a reference. It's not just the regs but also how they've been interpreted.

[Phil T]

I could be wrong but I take Distiller to mean the company not the Master Distiller himself

That's my take also VA. So, say hypothetically, Sazerac could not add BT distillate to Barton distillate for the VOB BIB..

[squire]

Spent awhile this morning immersed in the SB Archive

Great way to spend a morning. There's a lot we didn't know a decade ago but also a lot that is still quite relevant today.

[dSculptor]

Well I just tried the J.T.S. Brown bib, and can honestly say it is rather tasty,unfortunately the other one I just bought OHH when I got it home I noticed a piece of white substance on the bottom of the bottle,which looks like a rock,but does not move,it is about a 1/2" or so.The store reimbursed me for it, but now I'm stuck with an oddity.

Just seen a thread in the dusty's we can add Old Forester to the list,I guess.

Edited February 24, 2014 by dSculptor

[chrisg]

I believe David Nicholson is also bonded.

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[dSculptor]

The Fox mentioned HH6 Bib in another thread, I guess we can add that also.

[dSculptor]

I believe David Nicholson is also bonded.

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[393foureyedfox]

The Fox mentioned HH6 Bib in another thread, I guess we can add that also.

hopefully we can continue to do so.......Im not the only one on here who realizes this is absolutely unbeatable in bang-for-the-buck.

[chrisg]

Is that available where you're at?

Across the river in KY.

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[Gentleman Racer]

Great thread. I love the bonded whiskies. Agree with the points above that they're good examples of house styles and are a great bang for the buck. I also hope they stick around.

[jwacky]

hopefully we can continue to do so.......Im not the only one on here who realizes this is absolutely unbeatable in bang-for-the-buck.

I ordered some of this online, and though the shipping costs bumped up the total price for the bottle, I still think it's a great value. If I could buy this locally for $10, well, I'd have a lot of money left over for other pursuits. It's seriously good stuff, especially for the price.

[393foureyedfox]

just order it by the case next time!

[PaulO]

I believe David Nicholson is also bonded.

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Yes, David Nicholson is bonded. It is more or less the same as Heaven Hill's Old Fitz. The latest ones I've seen still have DSP 16 on the label, but it's wrong. It should say DSP 1. The Old Fitz I got recently seemed better than what I had in the past. It reminds me more of Makers.

[jwacky]

just order it by the case next time!

[393foureyedfox]

$15 a bottle delivered to your door in CA doesnt sound too bad. Here in KY, MC and HH6BIB differ by about 50 cents a bottle.

[dSculptor]

That will most certainly happen. In fact, I priced out a case yesterday... came to somewhere between $15-$16 a bottle, but that's still less than most anything else drinkable neat will cost. I order Mellow Corn by the case whenever I can find discounts, too. Another great bargain pour that I can't find locally!

Hey maybe you could pm with the place you are getting it from,I might want in on some of that,and BTW isn't the MC also BIB?

So here's what we have so far, I also found another site that listed all the BIB's.. surprising that most of them are HH products.

Those are his notes after,not so sure about the CEHT SB being discontinued, although I have not seen it for quite some time,so maybe...[TABLE=width: 647]

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[TD]I think it would be cool to have 'em all! Need 10 more! The ones I have, have an * behind them.Can anyone beat that so far (8)?

Old Heaven Hill B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]Heaven Hill 6 Year Old B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)[/TD]

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[TD]Evan Williams B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]Old Grand Dad B.I.B. (Jim Beam)*[/TD]

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[TD]Very Old Barton 6 Year Old B.I.B (Sazerac)[/TD]

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[TD]Kentucky Tavern B.I.B. (Sazerac)[/TD]

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[TD]Edmund H. Taylor, Jr small batch B.I.B (Sazerac) (there’s a Rye and a Single Barrel, but that is discontinued)*[/TD]

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[TD]Rittenhouse Rye B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)[/TD]

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[TD]Mellow Corn B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)[/TD]

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[TD]Old Fitzgerald B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]David Nicholson 1843 B.I.B. (Luxco)[/TD]

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[TD]J.W. Dant B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]J.T.S. Brown B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]T.W. Samuels B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)[/TD]

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[TD]Henry McKenna 10yr Single Barrel B.I.B. (Heaven Hill)*[/TD]

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[TD]Old Tub B.I.B. (Jim Beam; Visitors Center Only)[/TD]

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[TD]William Heavenhill B.I.B. (Heaven Hill; Evan Williams Bourbon Experience Only)[/TD]

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[TD]Old Forester B.I.B. (Brown-Forman)[/TD]

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Edited February 28, 2014 by dSculptor

[393foureyedfox]

i didnt think KY Tavern BIB was being made anymore. All I see here is 80 proof, and its one of the very first bourbons I ever tried. I think my first three bourbon purchases were, in order: EW1783, HH6BIB, and Ky Tavern.

[dSculptor]

Yeh , I don't know how reliable the list is and if any of them are still being made, however it's still cool to see what was made as BIB's.You never know what will show up one day somewhere.Ever tried that MC? Might have to get me one of them some day.

[Brisko]

A couple of emendations:

Old Forester BIB hasn't existed for a while. It was replaced by "Signature" which is 100 proof, but not bonded.

Very Old Barton isn't 6 years old any more, just "6."

At one time Beam had a KY only product called Old Bourbon Hollow that was bonded but the consensus in this thread was that it hadn't been seen in the wild for a while.

[sku]

Old Potrero Hotalings from Anchor is BIB but they only do occasional releases. There was Tom Moore BIB from Barton, but I don't know if that's still being made.