Bottled in Bond's

[PaulO]

Old Forrester BIB was replaced by Signature. Kentucky Tavern and T.W. Samuels bonds I believe are no longer bottled. There also was a Colonel Lee BIB by Barton. Dusties may turn up somewhere. As to Rittenhouse Rye and Mellow Corn, HH own the brands. After "the fire" they were supplied by DSP 354 (Brown-Forman). So a lot of Rittenhouse and Mellow Corn on the shelves is still DSP 354, but will eventually be replaced by DSP 1.

[sku]

Well here's a brand new BIB label that should be tasty. So much for all those regulations.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=14006001000453

[MyOldKyDram]

LOL I can't even...

[Ravensfire]

The "Date Issued" and signature really means it was issued? Oh boy, that's just depressing. I don't always expect competence from the government but this is an area that really shouldn't take too much effort. Required warnings? Check. Required bottling information? Check. Use of certain key words/phrases done correctly? Hmm, Bottled in Bond is used. Do they mean those requirements. Hell no! Application rejected. You could even automate a lot of that by having a field in the application with the all text on the label with different sections prefaced with [LOCATION]. System scans for those keywords and does the required checked.

And then it's ROOT-BEER flavor? Damn those Californians! Is nothing sacred?

[Josh]

TTB Consumer Service Line: 866-927-ALFD (2533).

FAX: 202-453-2984

E-MAIL: alfd@ttb.gov

http://www.ttb.gov/advertising/market_compliance_office.shtml

[393foureyedfox]

how the HELL can it be labeled a BIB with 70 proof, flavored, and caramel color added....?

is there anybody even AT the TTB?!

[PaulO]

It looks like someone signed the form. Did they read it first?

[393foureyedfox]

I guess the key anymore is........buyer beware

[tanstaafl2]

I guess the key anymore is........buyer beware

Maybe it is like bourbon itself. Once it meets the requirements for bourbon you can do other things to it like finishing it in other casks (Angels Envy, PHC Cognac) or even dump something in the bottle with it (Beam Signature Craft Spanish Brandy finish). You just have to say what else you did such as you find on the AE or Beam bottle and then can still call it BIB.

Although the 70 proof part is a bit hard to comprehend. That is more like a liqueur like Wild Turkey American Honey which is 71 proof and labeled as a liqueur. But no indication this stuff is being labeled as a liqueur.

[Ravensfire]

TTB Consumer Service Line: 866-927-ALFD (2533).

FAX: 202-453-2984

E-MAIL: alfd@ttb.gov

http://www.ttb.gov/advertising/market_compliance_office.shtml

Thanks - e-mail sent pointing them to 5.42((3). I couldn't find anything about that particular brand and the domain name used in the application seems to be a private bottler.

[Harry in WashDC]

It looks like someone signed the form. Did they read it first?

The TTB name on the COLA sku linked to looked familiar - it is the same TTB person who signed off on Whistling Andy's THREE year old Straight Bourbon Whiskey label with NO age statement Sep 2013, a circumstance being discussed under the "ttb failure" thread. I just pulled the whiskey COLAs (class/type 100 through 120, anyway) for the last month and all 5 (6?) are signed by that same person. I then pulled all COLAs and a spotcheck shows other TTB persons sign wine & beer labels. So it looks like the TTB label review office has a least one person assigned to review whiskey labels. I wonder just what checklist, internal review procedures that person (and that person's staff) follows . . . I'd love to hear the innocent explanation for these anomalies - I'm sure there is one. Aren't you?

[wadewood]

There was Tom Moore BIB from Barton, but I don't know if that's still being made.

I heard Tom Moore BIB was going away a while back, but it's still readily available here in Texas in plastic 1.75l bottles.

[Ravensfire]

Thanks - e-mail sent pointing them to 5.42((3). I couldn't find anything about that particular brand and the domain name used in the application seems to be a private bottler.

And got a response back: "Thank you for sharing this information. We are currently reviewing the matter. "

I guess we'll see what happens.