tdelling Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Following up on my post in the "Looking forward, looking back" thread:There was some speculation as to the viability of microdistilling in the America.Microdistilling in the US is taking off rather nicely. I have a fewthoughts on whether it will survive and flourish.1) The microbreweries had legions of homebrewers doing R&D, and freelypublishing the results. Microdistillers are not so lucky.2) Beer can go from idea to sellable product on a timescale of months(or even weeks...), and the production process can be tweaked toimprove the product, again on a timescale of months. Microdistillersare not so lucky, having to wait years for the final product.3) Large distilleries have lots of leeway in the vatting stage, andcan generally find a place for each barrel within their multitude of labels.Microdistillers are not so lucky.4) Microdistillers need to have the patience to wait until they have a goodproduct before they release anything... and this might be difficult, seeingas how they are going to really need cash flow as soon as possible. They needto make a good name for themselves, and for the microdistilling industryas a whole, so putting out quality is important... they can't just bottlewhat's in the pipeline no matter what it tastes like.I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but there are really a lot of hurdles(especially bureaucratic) that microdistillers have to overcome, whichwere not such a big deal for microbrewers.That said, I'm rather pleased at the current crop of microdistillers.Here's a list that was compiled on the malts-l mailing list in August.It probably needs updating, but was current at the time. Not all ofthese microdistillers currently make whiskey (the ones that do are marked),but I have a feeling that many of them will eventually make whiskey,and thus are worth watching, and discussing. I would be surprised if,for instance, dogfish didn't eventually make a whiskey, although they'lltell you right now that they have no plans for any.OREGONRansom cellars : www.ransomspirits.comHood River Distillers : www.hrdspirits.comMcMenamins (Edgefield) : www.mcmenamins.com WhiskeyBendistillery : www.bendistillery.comBrandy Peak : www.brandypeak.comClear Creek : www.clearcreekdistillery.com WhiskeyCALIFORNIAAnchor Brewing (Old Potrero) : www.anchorbrewing.com WhiskeyCharbay : www.charbay.com WhiskeySt. James : www.saintjamesspirits.com WhiskySt. George : www.stgeorgespirits.com WhiskeyOsocalis : www.osocalis.comEssential Spirits : www.essentialspirits.comCarneros Alembic Brandy (RMS) : ClosedELSEWHEREMcKendric (Texas) : www.mckendricwhiskey.com WhiskeyBardenay (Idaho) : www.bardenay.comConecuh Ridge (Alabama) : www.crbrands.com WhiskeyColorado Distilling (Colorado) : www.coloradowhisky.com Closed?Black Star Farms (Michigan) : www.blackstarfarms.comDogfish Head (Deleware) : www.dogfish.comVirginia Lightning (Virginia) : www.vafb.com/magazines/2002/jan/0102_28.htm Whiskey?WV Distilling (West Virginia) : www.mountainmoonshine.com WhiskeyWarwich Valley (New York) : www.wvwinery.comHeart of the Vineyard (Michigan) : www.heartofthevineyard.comKoenig (Idaho) : www.koenigdistillery.comTriple Eight (Rhode Island) : www.tripleeightdistillery.comTim Dellinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornsqueezins Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 Tim, thanks for the listing. I've been looking for something like this for a quite a while.You make some good points about the challenges facing microdistilleries. In regards to Conecuh Ridge, I'm surprised it has gotten off to such a great start. When I first started reading about Clyde May's plans, I thought it would be a long shot at best. I figured the red tape he would encounter with Alabama's ABC would keep his whiskey from becoming a reality for many long years. But I guess the potential Conecuh Ridge holds for a big, new source of state revenue allowed it to quickly hit the shelves.Here's the latest on this story: Possible Conecuh Ridge Distillery Site Looks like the Birmingham area may be CR's new headquarters.-Troy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted October 21, 2003 Share Posted October 21, 2003 I won't get too excited about American microdistilleries until I see one in Kentucky or Tennessee and see a name like Beam attached to it. Most of these distillers come from a wine-making and, hence, brandy-making background. The typical product is an unaged fruit spirit. As Fritz Maytag has learned, it is possible to make an interesting spirit and one which can legally be called whiskey without it bearing any ressemblance to anything we would recognize as American Whiskey. These distillers may produce some interesting and even tasty beverages, but I don't think they're really pushing the envelope re American Whiskey or are even operating in that arena. It's a sideshow, really. That said, thanks a bunch for the listing. I had no idea there were so many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pepcycle Posted October 22, 2003 Share Posted October 22, 2003 Great List. I think I'll contact a few of these operations and see if they'll share their experience. Many of us are aware of a still in Bardstown that has a ton of history and is owned by a big name whiskey family. All they really need is money and a decent business plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrel_Proof Posted October 23, 2003 Share Posted October 23, 2003 Tim: Thanks for this most informative post. Question: What should I make of the dead links? Distiller gone belly up this very week? In any event, I learned a lot surfing your links. Many thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdelling Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 >I won't get too excited about American microdistilleries until I see one in>Kentucky or Tennessee and see a name like Beam attached to it.I'd like to see a few of those, too. My offer of $500 for capitalizationstill stands!>Most of these distillers come from a wine-making and, hence, brandy-making>background.It is true that many of them are distilleries that were added on to existingalcohol-producing businesses (breweries and wineries looking todo new things), but that's to be expected. It's infinitely easier tostart a distillery as an adjuct to an already-profitable businesswith pre-existing customers and a name for yourself.>The typical product is an unaged fruit spirit.I completely disagree with you assessment.Counting up the above distilleries, twelve of them age spirits in oakbarrels. Some of it is rum, some of it is brandy, and some of it iswhiskey, but that's a lot of people learning to age things in oakbarrels.Looking instead at the number who make whiskey: I count eleven.Most of those have product on the shelf right now available for purchase.>These distillers may produce some interesting and even tasty beverages, but>I don't think they're really pushing the envelope re American Whiskey or are>even operating in that arena. It's a sideshow, really.The one criticism that can be made about American microdistillers istoo many of them are trying to emulate scotch. That much is true.And they pretty much openly admit it. But to accuse them of not pushingthe envelope? They are innovating at every step of the process.Beech and alder smoked grains, hops as part of the mashbill, a varietyof pot-stills, aging in all types of oak barrels (new, used, French,charred, uncharred), aging over different types of wood chips (apple,mesquite, oak). I can hardly think of a variable they aren't tweaking!Tim Dellinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdelling Posted October 24, 2003 Author Share Posted October 24, 2003 >Question: What should I make of the dead links? Distiller gone belly up>this very week?Well, the list was compiled this summer, so a few of the links are dead.I know tht Triple Eight can now be found athttp://www.ciscobrewers.com/distillery.htmlMcMenamin's Edgefield Distillery can be seen athttp://www.mcmenamins.com/Edge/and some of the others are slow-loading and dead sometimes, but workjust fine other times.I think the Colorado one is dead in the water, but I've heard aboutanother one starting up in Colorado.Mostly what should make of any small business's internet presence(especially if it is feeble or nonexistant) is that most people don'treally care so much about web pages, and in any case, running a smallbusiness is hard enough, and so keeping an updated webpage is a luxurythat most probably don't have time for.Thanks to all who responded to my post! I'm glad you guys enjoyedsurfing around to the various distilleries.Tim Dellinger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted October 25, 2003 Share Posted October 25, 2003 Your points are very well taken and reflect your more up-to-date knowledge of a small but dynamic part of the American alcohol scene. I suspect, though, that if you limited your list to whiskies aged even two years or more, it would shrink considerably. The tendancy to make a scotch-like product may result in part from the advantages of using a wort instead of a mash in a pot still. Also, brewers turned distillers already feel more comfortable working with a wort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo Posted October 26, 2003 Share Posted October 26, 2003 Thanks for the post, very interesting.I wouldn't call Old Potrero micro distilled, not with Fritz Maytag's millions backing it up.And, I agree with you on the hurdles faced by micro distillers. Probably just too much unfavorable economics to overcome. I think the most likely path to more, good whiskey is for the established distillers to offer more small batch and single barrel whiskey.Regards, jimbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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