2014 Four Roses LE Single Barrel

[nd2005]

Preach. SF bar prices are ridiculous. I still pre-game like I'm 21 so that I only have to buy a couple drinks when I'm on the town.

Anyways, I haven't actually seen the 2014 LESB at a bar here, but I paid $30 for a pour of the 2013 LESB, which wasn't much more than an ounce. I'd be curious if anyone has seen this somewhere in the city (besides Hard Water) and how much it was.

They had it at my hotel bar (hotel palomar) but I didn't ask the price bc I didn't want to know.

pretty nice for a hotel bar I have to say - and thankfully i had

my per diem to handle the tab...

[amg]

I guess in the Midwest we get spoiled by the lack of disposable income. I can still usually get a pour of BTAC for $20 if I'm at a place that has some. A bar near my house will pour 2 ounces of Bookers for $8.

[nd2005]

I guess in the Midwest we get spoiled by the lack of disposable income. I can still usually get a pour of BTAC for $20 if I'm at a place that has some. A bar near my house will pour 2 ounces of Bookers for $8.

I'm in the Midwest as well. Bookers runs 12-14 per pour. Can't get anything beyond perhaps BT or Bulleit for $8.

the bars that get BTAC all charge >$25 per ounce.

I really want to know the names of the bars SB'ers are frequenting...seems like I could be saving a lot of money and getting better pours based on the quoted rates I see here...

[Jiggity]

I was in SF last week for work and would have been pleased to get regular four roses single barrel for that price.

Check out Smokestack next time you are in SF. They have a solid whiskey selection and the 2014 FR LESB is $25 for a 2 oz pour. Grab some brisket while you are there too.

[kcgumbohead]

I think it's funny that everyone thinks 14 is a reasonable pour price for a limited release like four roses - makes me think they haven't been to a bar in the last several years.

I was in SF last week for work and would have been pleased to get regular four roses single barrel for that price.

I think its funny that you DON'T think its reasonable. Once things creep past the mid to upper teens its time to look at the beer list and/or find other bars to frequent.

[tanstaafl2]

I think its funny that you DON'T think its reasonable. Once things creep past the mid to upper teens its time to look at the beer list and/or find other bars to frequent.

What seems scandalous is that it apparently was supposed to be $14 a pour for REGULAR 4 roses single barrel which is typically less than $40 a bottle. That is $224 if you get about 16 1.5 ounce pours. Not sure I am paying that no matter where I am.

[nd2005]

I think its funny that you DON'T think its reasonable. Once things creep past the mid to upper teens its time to look at the beer list and/or find other bars to frequent.

Different question of what I personally find "reasonable" to pay versus what I know the usual market rate is.

$14 for a limited release four roses seemed suspiciously low to me - and that was in fact verified by the bar's owner when they revealed the real price should have been $45.

That doesn't mean I have any interest in paying $45 for it...just that it is closer in line to what I've seen elsewhere.

[bicktrav]

I went to a bar recently and saw last year's PHC sitting on the shelf. I hadn't tried it and was really excited to see it so I ordered a pour without thinking about how much they might charge. The bill came and the pour was $35. I was livid. At the end of the day it was my fault for not checking the price, but I just didn't expect something so insane for last year's PHC. I was thinking around $20. The drink ended up costing more than my dinner. Silver lining is that it was a damn good pour!

[nd2005]

I went to a bar recently and saw last year's PHC sitting on the shelf. I hadn't tried it and was really excited to see it so I ordered a pour without thinking about how much they might charge. The bill came and the pour was $35. I was livid. At the end of the day it was my fault for not checking the price, but I just didn't expect something so insane for last year's PHC. I was thinking around $20. The drink ended up costing more than my dinner. Silver lining is that it was a damn good pour!

i never order a premium/limited pour without finding out the price first.

A bar near me was charging over $50 for a pour of Barterhouse!!

[The Black Tot]

I went to a bar recently and saw last year's PHC sitting on the shelf. I hadn't tried it and was really excited to see it so I ordered a pour without thinking about how much they might charge. The bill came and the pour was $35. I was livid. At the end of the day it was my fault for not checking the price, but I just didn't expect something so insane for last year's PHC. I was thinking around $20. The drink ended up costing more than my dinner. Silver lining is that it was a damn good pour!

That reminds me of when I found an ETL comm at a small store. I said "yeah, I'll take it", thinking it couldn't be more than $45. Dude charged me 65 plus tax. Like you, I was annoyed, but also like you, I should have asked the price first and I was probably too tired to stand up for my usual principles once I'd already said I'd take it and the register had rung it up. I shrugged my shoulders and learned my lesson.

[bicktrav]

i never order a premium/limited pour without finding out the price first.

A bar near me was charging over $50 for a pour of Barterhouse!!

$50 for Barterhouse should be punishable by law.

[bicktrav]

That reminds me of when I found an ETL comm at a small store. I said "yeah, I'll take it", thinking it couldn't be more than $45. Dude charged me 65 plus tax. Like you, I was annoyed, but also like you, I should have asked the price first and I was probably too tired to stand up for my usual principles once I'd already said I'd take it and the register had rung it up. I shrugged my shoulders and learned my lesson.

Yep. That's pretty much exactly how I felt. I paid $35 for a nice pour and a useful lesson.

[Ravensfire]

Got a shot of ECBP and paid 20 for it and was shocked. A few months ago paid 12ish for ETLComm shot and quite happy. I'll only see o e of those again. Bar pricing is weird.

[bin31z]

Jeez...I should open my own bar, I'd charge only 20 bucks for a 2 oz pour of anything I have

[bourbonfoot]

It all depends on local availability as well I'm sure. A local whiskey bar I frequent sells pours of FRSB and ETL for $8 a pour. EC12 and EW10 run at $7. I grabbed a pour of ECBP for $16 the other day and was a bit surprised it was that high. On the other end, they were selling pours of OWA for $17... crazy. On another note, they had just gotten in their BTAC bottles. I asked how much a pour of the ER17 was (as I have a bottle of Stagg and have had Saz and THH), he replied "oh jeez, $40 at least)... I stuck with the ECBP.

[danz]

Four Roses Single Barrel Limited Edition 2014 arrived in New York in the past week.

In the past, people have had email discussions with Jim Rutledge. Do people know if he or others at Four Roses are receptive to feedback from the community and have some influence over the brand's direction, like Mark Brown is at BT/Sazerac? There seems to bee some questionable activity in the distribution locally and I am wondering if it is something they are aware of and that they condone.

If anyone does want to share information with me, feel free to message me. Also, I don't need to pester them if they don't want to be bothered.

[DPPSmoker]

Four Roses Single Barrel Limited Edition 2014 arrived in New York in the past week.

In the past, people have had email discussions with Jim Rutledge. Do people know if he or others at Four Roses are receptive to feedback from the community and have some influence over the brand's direction, like Mark Brown is at BT/Sazerac? There seems to bee some questionable activity in the distribution locally and I am wondering if it is something they are aware of and that they condone.

If anyone does want to share information with me, feel free to message me. Also, I don't need to pester them if they don't want to be bothered.

The folks at Four Roses are good people. If you share your concerns politely, I'm sure you would get a response. They have several different email addresses in the contacts section of their webpage. What do you have to lose?

[jeffrey r]

Four Roses Single Barrel Limited Edition 2014 arrived in New York in the past week.

In the past, people have had email discussions with Jim Rutledge. Do people know if he or others at Four Roses are receptive to feedback from the community and have some influence over the brand's direction, like Mark Brown is at BT/Sazerac? There seems to bee some questionable activity in the distribution locally and I am wondering if it is something they are aware of and that they condone.

If anyone does want to share information with me, feel free to message me. Also, I don't need to pester them if they don't want to be bothered.

Not sure exactly what drew your ire, but I applaud you for considering taking a stand on whatever it was. For some reason, NY and NJ seem to be in a really "bad place" right now as to limited editions. Way too little supply, and way too much demand. Within the past couple of years, I have picked up or passed on PVW, BTAC, FRSmB and SB LE, and OFBB. Now, I have simply resigned myself to having no shot at any of these.

I simply rely on my good fortune in having picked up some limited bottles in the past, and being able to pick up PHC, HHSS, CEHT BP, FR barrel selections, and just ordinary outstanding staples like RHF, ETL, WTRB, EWSB, EC12 and others like that.

[bin31z]

I doubt Jim will be interested if you are just emailing him to bitch and moan about how you couldn't get a bottle of limited this or that. People are hoarding limited releases right now, it is a fact, Jim isn't going to set aside a bottle especially for you because you really really really want one.

Edited November 26, 2014 by bin31z

[danz]

I doubt Jim will be interested if you are just emailing him to bitch and moan about how you couldn't get a bottle of limited this or that. People are hoarding limited releases right now, it is a fact, Jim isn't going to set aside a bottle especially for you because you really really really want one.

That was constructive. I am not having any trouble getting the limited Four Roses I am interested in. My question is more along the lines of how they are running their business and what sort of people they are being. If they are like the message you just posted, I don't need any more of their stuff, limited or not.

[bin31z]

No offense but four roses is a large company with share holders and vendor distribution systems, nothing you or Jim Rutledge can do about their business practices, he just works there.

[Clavius]

There seems to bee some questionable activity in the distribution locally

[danz]

No offense but four roses is a large company with share holders and vendor distribution systems, nothing you or Jim Rutledge can do about their business practices, he just works there.

[T Comp]

That may be true, and my question was more general about whether they take an interest in their community like Mark Brown and Sazerac do. If not, someone else can support them.

Dan Dan Dan, me thinks you're being presumptuous, even naive, to make this assumption and carry it over to any conclusion or comparison among major distillers. All have good guys but the name of the game is selling as much whiskey and market share as possible. You know, like keeping that 6 on the Barton bottle :grin:.

[danz]

Dan Dan Dan, me thinks you're being presumptuous, even naive, to make this assumption and carry it over to any conclusion or comparison among major distillers. All have good guys but the name of the game is selling as much whiskey and market share as possible. You know, like keeping that 6 on the Barton bottle :grin:.

You make an excellent point. Although, I've never managed to find a Barton with or without the age statement. At least the right words frequently come out of Mark's mouth, or keyboard. That can't be said for all the companies. But, unfortunately, it does seem like there is a lot of faceless corporatism going on. (I still, most definitely, was not trying to whine up a limited bottle - I already have enough of the only one that has yet been released in NY at this time.) After a less than satisfactory interaction, I may be done with all of the limited edition bottlings - they seem to attract a crowd that I can't really relate to.