BT Mash Bill #1

[Guy Debord]

Hi All,

I am wondering if anyone has had all Buffalo Trace mash bill #1 and what they think about them as a cohesive line up.

Additionally, do I have this correct?

Buffalo Trace 6-8 years old

Old Charter 6-8 years old

Benchmark 8 years old

Eagle Rare 10 years old single barrel

George Stagg Jr. 9 years old barrel proof

CEHTaylor Singe barrel, barrel proof, small batch

George Stagg 15 years old barrel proof

I think it would be fun to taste BT, ER, StaggJr, and Stagg in one sitting.

[amg]

Stagg Jr. is NAS and I'd guess probably close to the same age as standard BT, and Benchmark is no longer age stated. If anything, Old Charter is probably older juice than Benchmark.

Might as well add ER17 to your tasting lineup.

[ramblinman]

Hi All,

Eagle Rare 10 years old single barrel

[BootsOnTheGround]

Stagg Sr will vary in age from year to year.

I thought EHT was around 11 years old?

There's a lot of bad attitude toward Stagg Jr. I'd personally love to see batch 1 and 2 go up against various years of Sr, all mixed up, totally blind, some with water added to match proof, some not. If nothing more than to show the bourbon Elite they're a bunch of trend followers and couldn't taste if their life depended on it.

[upStomp]

...Benchmark is no longer age stated...

[Paddy]

Stagg Sr will vary in age from year to year.

I thought EHT was around 11 years old?

There's a lot of bad attitude toward Stagg Jr. I'd personally love to see batch 1 and 2 go up against various years of Sr, all mixed up, totally blind, some with water added to match proof, some not. If nothing more than to show the bourbon Elite they're a bunch of trend followers and couldn't taste if their life depended on it.

I'm not sure who this "bourbon elite" is that you keep referring to? Personally, I feel that one who is armed with sufficient knowledge and experience to realize what they like, where they may get it for a price they are willing to pay and how to enjoy it are experiencing true "bourbon elite" status.

To me and I feel most other who have had similar experience, it's not about the name or how much it costs. If that's the group you're referring to, I'd call them a lot of things, but bourbon elite is not one of them.

Anywho, any of you bourbon elitists out there who may be reading can have all the Stagg, Pappy and three figure NDP bourbon you want. The more you are focused on that, the less competition you are to me. :grin:

On topic: I like both BT mash bills, but would pick #2 for a lengthy stay on a desert island. As to which one is the better of the bunch....aren't they all the same? :shocked:

[cowdery]

As a matter of principle, I would advise people to only list ages when the product is age-stated, i.e., has the age on the label. Mixing together age-stated ages and ages somebody told somebody, even if that somebody was official, renders it all useless. If it's age-stated, state the age. If it's not, put NAS.

[Guy Debord]

I completely forgot ER17, which does bring up a question. What is the difference between GTS and ER17? Is it proof or age? Why is GTS lauded so heavily? I guess it just tastes better?

I would love to taste all of these. Many on this board have. I've only had BT, ER10, and StaggJr and I really like them.

Old Charter

Benchmark

Buffalo Trace

Eagle Rare10

Eagle Rare17 BP

George T. Stagg Jr. BP

George T. Stagg BP

CEHTaylor SmB, SB, BP

[BootsOnTheGround]

According to metadata searches, GTS is the most sought-after bourbon there is. Ahead of PVW and the rest.

The 2013 Stagg barrel dump was 157 barrels

The 2013 ER17 barrel dump was 23 barrels

I've argued before, especially with ETL and other BT products, it has almost nothing to do with the underlying facts of production quantity, quality, mashbill, etc....and everything to do with perception. Bubbles are not rational, humans chase price and yet while price continues to double in shorter and shorter time periods, many will still deny whats really happening, blame the boogyman and other related nonsense.

[risenc]

According to metadata searches, GTS is the most sought-after bourbon there is. Ahead of PVW and the rest.

The 2013 Stagg barrel dump was 157 barrels

The 2013 ER17 barrel dump was 23 barrels

I've argued before, especially with ETL and other BT products, it has almost nothing to do with the underlying facts of production quantity, quality, mashbill, etc....and everything to do with perception. Bubbles are not rational, humans chase price and yet while price continues to double in shorter and shorter time periods, many will still deny whats really happening, blame the boogyman and other related nonsense.

[EvergladeSlim]

According to metadata searches, GTS is the most sought-after bourbon there is. Ahead of PVW and the rest.

The 2013 Stagg barrel dump was 157 barrels

The 2013 ER17 barrel dump was 23 barrels

I've argued before, especially with ETL and other BT products, it has almost nothing to do with the underlying facts of production quantity, quality, mashbill, etc....and everything to do with perception. Bubbles are not rational, humans chase price and yet while price continues to double in shorter and shorter time periods, many will still deny whats really happening, blame the boogyman and other related nonsense.

[PaulO]

I think we could add Charter 101 to the original post list. It's 101 proof NAS Old Charter.

[flahute]

I've argued before, especially with ETL and other BT products, it has almost nothing to do with the underlying facts of production quantity, quality, mashbill, etc....and everything to do with perception. Bubbles are not rational, humans chase price and yet while price continues to double in shorter and shorter time periods, many will still deny whats really happening, blame the boogyman and other related nonsense.

Not with me. I tried GTS before I knew anything about its reputation, scarcity, or standing within the bourbon world. I didn't even know anything about the bourbon world in general. My opinion about GTS that day is that it was one of the finest spirits I had ever tasted. In every follow up tasting I've had since that day, my perception hans't changed. I can pick it out in tastings against similar bourbons every time and few satisfy like it does.

Soooo, you are entitled to your opinions, but they don't apply to me.

[Guy Debord]

I did not know that ER17 was 90 proof, I thought all BTAC was over 100 proof bourbon. I'm sure that makes a difference in taste between GTS and ER17. There is something special about high proof and significant age--few would argue that. flahute is probably like many.

I don't plan to get much BTAC, but I know a bar that has them and I'll have to buy a tiny pour to see for myself.

Thanks!

[amg]

Saz 18 is also 90 proof.

[HighHorse]

All of the BT barrels we have picked have been 9+ years. We've picked 100 and that has to be out of 300 barrels. That's a pretty good idea.

Edit: not all Buffalo Trace .. Probably more than half of those were the BT brand.

[squire]

In a time when "overproof" whiskey is so popular, GTS has a reputation as the biggest, baddest, boldest bourbon around.