No mas!

[smokinjoe]

My "what the heck" reaction still seems appropriate. I would never suggest to someone here that they could take advantage of an affordable price on a bourbon they've been yearning for and then refuse to tell them where they could get it if I knew. (link)

I thought that kind of camaraderie and friendly advice was why we were here. It's frustrating to finally be able to try something everyone else has been raving about and yet not be able to because a lack of particulars. Why withhold details if it isn't going to cost you anything? After all, I was only going to purchase one bottle. Surely that wouldn't have impacted their inventory too severely.

Jim, you really don't think there's a dramatic difference between $50/bottle and $35/bottle?

I don't think I was a "self-entitled prick", but if you want to think that -- that's fine. I can tell you this though: if you ever came to me with an inquiry or needing my assistance, I would be glad to help. I thought that was the whole point of us being here.

In the end, it's a moot point anyway. I'm not going to spend a day on a futile scavenger hunt just because someone else was uncooperative with a liquor store address. VolForLife can rest assured that all of those bottles of FRSB are safely his.

Did you ever bother to think he may not have seen/overlooked your PM 's? Care to think he may be busy with important personal matters and your request will be addressed when he has time? Possibly, since he is so new to SB and with a limited number of posts, he may not even be eligible/permitted to receive/send PM's? Did you think at all past your own self gratification?

[fishnbowljoe]

I usually don't chime in on things like this because I don't want my status as a moderator to be taken the wrong way. Here are my thoughts as a member, with my moderator status not withstanding.

Here is the entire line of VolForLife's post in this thread.

I've never sipped PVW and I'm sure that it's amazing. But I can buy many bottles of FRSB at 35 bucks for the price of a single bottle of Pappy....[emoji6]

This isn't bragging to me. He's simply stating that for the price of a bottle of Pappy, he could or would buy many bottles of FRSB for the same price. Why did you edit his line to read only this?

But I can buy many bottles of FRSB at 35 bucks….

It appears to me, and probably others that you edited his post to read how you wanted it perceive it.

You complained that VolForLife wouldn't give up the location where he found the FRSB for $35.99. He gave it up right here.

Dude you're shopping in the wrong place. Four Roses Single Barrel is available in Germantown for $35.99. [emoji3]

Hell, you even posted the link to that post. Germantown has a population of around 38,000, give or take. There can't be that many liquor stores in a town that size. For gosh sakes do some of your own homework.

Joining SB doesn't entitle anyone to a damn thing other than the availability of our resources here. If you want friendship, respect, and any of the other intangibles that go along with being a member here, you have to earn it. This is our site, not yours. We shouldn't have to conform to your ideas of how you think things should be here. It's far more reasonable for you, or any other member for that matter, to conform to our rules, ideals and way of doing things. It ain't all that hard. All you have to do is kick back a little. Look, listen and learn, and above all, try to be a bit more willing to go along and get along a little more.

Joe

Edited May 10, 2015 by fishnbowljoe

[Richnimrod]

Joe, you are so right! I'm hoping that 'To E' is just being misunderstood, and maybe a bit self indulgent, which we all are on occasion. Time will tell, I guess..

[meadeweber]

Joe, you are so right! I'm hoping that 'To E' is just being misunderstood, and maybe a bit self indulgent, which we all are on occasion. Time will tell, I guess..

Amen Rich. Very well said.

[Harry in WashDC]

Well, in the interest of helping out any SBers who want FRSingleB (not SmallB), a store near me is selling it at $37 plus tax (on sale while they last, usually $42-45 around here), but you'll have to drive here to get it because they don't ship (and neither do I:frown:).

PM me, and I'll help you find it. For example, from Memphis (about 13 hours), take I-40 East to I-81 North to I-66 East to Wash DC (get a local map before you get here; we don't have many gas stations, and most people you see are from out of town so you really can't depend on them for directions once you get in town). More specific directions upon request.

(Posted as I sip on some AAA "10" while watching Braves-Nats.)

[squire]

You're a gentlemen Harry, I had to learn about the lack of fueling stations the hard way.

[TunnelTiger]

This is the first time I've ever seen a member call out another member on the board and for what it's worth I don't like it one bit.

Rant over, apologies.

[garbanzobean]

It occurred to me today that I honestly don't have room for anymore LE bourbon. I try to keep a decent selection of mid shelfers around, and I noticed today that they are in need of some replenishment.

[WhiskyRI]

For me it wasn't the super, over-priced stuff that started irritating me. It was that suddenly $75 was the new $50. It's not that I won't pay more for a bottle but I'd rather spend $100 and buy 3 or 4 bottles of stuff I like, than gamble with $75 or $100 on stuff that may or may not be any good. I had the good fortune to get serious about bourbon just before the insanity of the current boom. So i have vague fuzzy, happy memories of seeing unicorns on shelves and leaving them behind because I only needed 1 bottle at a time. I still chase some limited editions and annual releases but now rarely drink them, instead I choose to use them in private tastings as fundraiser's for charity. So far I've helped raise a fair bit of change for some deserving charities (Homeless Veterans and Helping Kids Read) and I realize I enjoy sharing my unicorns for a good cause more than drinking them. So I mostly content myself with my stash of inexpensive private barrel bottles and sub-$30 bourbons most of the time - and when I break out the unicorns for a tasting I enjoy them even more.

[Richnimrod]

WhiskyRI, you are a man among men ... or a person among people, I guess, since I don't really know your gender.

Anyone willing to follow your path with his/her unicorns deserves admiration... and gets it, at least from me. :bowdown: I salute you!

[TunnelTiger]

Hear, hear. Another strong vote of appreciation for WhiskyRI!

Thank you.

[garbanzobean]

For me it wasn't the super, over-priced stuff that started irritating me. It was that suddenly $75 was the new $50. It's not that I won't pay more for a bottle but I'd rather spend $100 and buy 3 or 4 bottles of stuff I like, than gamble with $75 or $100 on stuff that may or may not be any good. I had the good fortune to get serious about bourbon just before the insanity of the current boom. So i have vague fuzzy, happy memories of seeing unicorns on shelves and leaving them behind because I only needed 1 bottle at a time. I still chase some limited editions and annual releases but now rarely drink them, instead I choose to use them in private tastings as fundraiser's for charity. So far I've helped raise a fair bit of change for some deserving charities (Homeless Veterans and Helping Kids Read) and I realize I enjoy sharing my unicorns for a good cause more than drinking them. So I mostly content myself with my stash of inexpensive private barrel bottles and sub-$30 bourbons most of the time - and when I break out the unicorns for a tasting I enjoy them even more.

This is an amazing idea. I may try to organize something like this in the near future.

[tanstaafl2]

This is an amazing idea. I may try to organize something like this in the near future.

Don't know how often I will do this but for the first time I donated a bottle for a charity event. I donated a Pappy 15 that I got at about retail and I don't know what the final bid was but I know it was north of $300. Maybe not as much as the secondary market (not that I have any plans to sell one anyway) but still a nice bonus for the charity and I feel the bottle went to good cause because I know the buyer and I am pretty sure they aren't a flipper.

Besides, I have more... :cool:

[fishnbowljoe]

Don't know how often I will do this but for the first time I donated a bottle for a charity event. I donated a Pappy 15 that I got at about retail and I don't know what the final bid was but I know it was north of $300. Maybe not as much as the secondary market (not that I have any plans to sell one anyway) but still a nice bonus for the charity and I feel the bottle went to good cause because I know the buyer and I am pretty sure they aren't a flipper.

Besides, I have more... :cool:

Very nice Bruce. Ya' done good. :bowdown:

Joe

[johnnyflake45]

Don't know how often I will do this but for the first time I donated a bottle for a charity event. I donated a Pappy 15 that I got at about retail and I don't know what the final bid was but I know it was north of $300. Maybe not as much as the secondary market (not that I have any plans to sell one anyway) but still a nice bonus for the charity and I feel the bottle went to good cause because I know the buyer and I am pretty sure they aren't a flipper.

Besides, I have more... :cool:

[Harry in WashDC]

Holy Moly, 2EorNOT2E - All is forgiven, and I don't mean WT. :pope:

Might I suggest you take a look at Watman's 'Chasing the White Dog' which in no way do I mean you should take up making your own whiskey.

Rather, you may find some kindred spirits and I did not mean that as a pun.

[garbanzobean]

Holy Moly, 2EorNOT2E - All is forgiven, and I don't mean WT. :pope:

Might I suggest you take a look at Watman's 'Chasing the White Dog' which in no way do I mean you should take up making your own whiskey.

Rather, you may find some kindred spirits and I did not mean that as a pun.

[Harry in WashDC]

ToE needs to relax. If only there were some sort of aged brown spirit he could consume a glass of to get him on his way . .

[mark fleetwood]

Now THAT was a profile.

FWIW I suspect miscommunication/misinterpretation is just something we're going to have as we make increasing use of social media, a form of communication that isn't real good at nuace, dry wit, a wink, etc. Sure, we've got the smily/laughing/woo-hooing faces at our disposal, but as the laziest American I can't muster the additional energy to input them. Still, despite the downsides of social media, I wouldn't miss checking in with what SBers have to say each day.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[Harry in WashDC]

Agree, Mark. And I kind of liked 2EorNOT2e's long comment. At my age, nothing surprises me, and I'm entertained by a lot of things and have no compunction to judge squat. In fact, I kind of like that he likes us enough to share his thoughts.

Aside: After reading this post before hitting "send" which is something I learned I just HAVE to do, I think maybe I've had enough KC. Next step: maudlin, and you DON'T want to see that. Good night, you all.

[squire]

I agree with the entertainment factor in comments made around here. By definition being a member of a whisky board means you are drinking while posting, or have been drinking, or will be drinking.

Anyone who posts here long enough (ahem) will have a few they would like to go back and edit.

[kjbeggs]

I feel the same, and I don't mind a good old disagreement between people now and then (provided everyone can be adult and not lower themselves to name-calling).

We are human, and passionate about our "hobby", so we aren't all going to agree on everything.

I don't think I've ever asked anyone here for information that they declined to provide, but I'd certainly understand if they did.

[Harry in WashDC]

Apropos the thread and ToEornNOTtoE's comment, Reid Mitenbuler's 'Bourbon Empire' contains several chapters toward its end discussing the rise of craft distilling in the context of the currently popular locovore movement (as my wife tells me, buying fresh local consumables instead of frozen, canned, iced, shipped consumables). The bourbon boom has allowed some crafters to experiment. Heck, even BT is touting the field of grains they're planting for their own use. The McKenzies at Finger Lakes Distilling purchase grains locally, and Catoctin Creek in Purcellville, Virginia, is certified organic and kosher. In short, ToEorNOTtoE is not alone. RM's book describes what whiskey-making was like in the early 1800s and contrasts it with the highly efficient, industrial production we have today which turns out lots of product, much of it fairly priced.

It seems to me that booms allow small crafters and other enthusiasts a chance to try new things. When the boom is over, some of those will close or be bought out at a fraction of their invested value. I don't think that's started yet.

[TunnelTiger]

Excellent points Harry. Maybe purchases of true crafters (not re-bottlers) by major producers will signal the beginning of the end of the boom.

[Harry in WashDC]

Excellent points Harry. Maybe purchases of true crafters (not re-bottlers) by major producers will signal the beginning of the end of the boom.

I wonder if Angels Envy was the first of a series. And I think there have been a couple of small Canadian distillers picked up. The major distillers are doing some of the things the large brewers did to capture the attention of craft beer fans - releasing lines, like Anheuser Busch did, that look and taste like craft beers, some of which do not fully identify the ultimate owner of the brand (see Blue Moon) for example. When we start the down slide, I hope it is gradual. I've grown to like some of those craft distiller products - Balcones, Smooth Ambler (great blending of MGP in SAOS, their own good young wheated, and I am looking forward to their own 4 year this year I think), the McKenzies' Finger Lakes bourbon and rye, and Virginia's own Catoctin Creek Distilling. I also saw my first Westland (which I think is from Oregon) but didn't buy it - looked it up when I got home, and it was gone when I went back. But I like what some of the small distillers are trying, and they may not be able to compete head-to-head wit the majors with classic, consistent, proven brands, but I'd miss SOME of those experiments and special mash bills.

EDIT - PLUS, I like supporting the little guy - it's how whiskey started here after all.

Edited May 21, 2015 by Harry in WashDC