EC12 or ECSmB

[fozzy71]

58 minutes ago, Charlutz said:

EC12 unless the age statement disappears. At that time, use EC12 only when referring to bottles with the age statement. I'd prefer to use EC for NAS bottles, but that may be confusing if we still have EC12 floating around, especially for people joining the forum after that happens and not used to using EC12 routinely.  Reluctantly, ECSmB, and the extended time it takes to type it, may be the most clear way to identify what you mean when that day comes. 

+1

[JoeTerp]

I'd go with EC if the age statement gets dropped

[Enoch]

Is this the current label. I hadn't noticed it no longer says 12 years but then I don't buy it. I do have several 1986 bottles but they taste very different.

[fozzy71]

2 minutes ago, Enoch said:

Is this the current label. I hadn't noticed it no longer says 12 years but then I don't buy it. I do have several 1986 bottles but they taste very different.

Based on the link on the previous page, and without checking my bunker, I would say yes - http://heavenhill.com/brand/16

[Chris m]

My vote is for EC12. 

 

As others have said, it's still 12, there is no Single Barrel to contend with, and 'small batch' is a silly, meaningless term. 

[petrel800]

I think we should go ECSmB12 so it can give the RRSBSmB a run for its money.  Then if they ever open up the barrel selection program again, we can go ECSmB12SB.

[smokinjoe]

14 minutes ago, petrel800 said:

I think we should go ECSmB12 so it can give the RRSBSmB a run for its money.  Then if they ever open up the barrel selection program again, we can go ECSmB12SB.

LOL !  Love this!   

[mosugoji64]

For simplicity, I vote with those who say keep EC12 until the age statement goes away. ECBP is technically ECSmB12BP but that's WAY too much of a pain to type so let's adhere to the KISS principles until necessity dictates otherwise!

[kcgumbohead]

10 hours ago, mosugoji64 said:

For simplicity, I vote with those who say keep EC12 until the age statement goes away. ECBP is technically ECSmB12BP but that's WAY too much of a pain to type so let's adhere to the KISS principles until necessity dictates otherwise!

So lets rock and roll all night and EC12 all day!!!

[tanstaafl2]

On ‎1‎/‎13‎/‎2016‎ ‎11‎:‎22‎:‎54‎, jeffrey r said:

I've come around on the common response to just keep it at EC12 for the time being.  For reference, here is the link to HH's site and HH's Bardstown Whiskey Society site, referring to it as Small Batch.

http://heavenhill.com/brand/16

http://www.bardstownwhiskeysociety.com/brands/elijah-craig-small-batch.php

"EC12" until (or when if you are as cynical as I am) the age statement is dropped. Then "EC". Or perhaps "ECNAS"...

Not sure what the distillery website calls anything is that helpful. They don't even list Elijah Craig Barrel Proof as an option (although the Bardstown Whiskey Society website does list it) so I suppose based on the website the abbreviation for that would be "     ".

[mosugoji64]

4 hours ago, kcgumbohead said:

So lets rock and roll all night and EC12 all day!!!

Ha! Good one!

[smokinjoe]

Why has ECBP never been ECBP12?  It's always been age stated as 12 yrs.  

[b1gcountry]

Because abbreviation.

[The Black Tot]

Same liquid, same name. I vote to keep EC12 until further devolution...I mean developments.

I like Bruce's ECNAS if an age statement gets dropped. Would separate it from EC18, etc...

We call W12 W12 and don't punish it for being batched.

Conversely, it's true we don't give RRsmb its 10, for example.

[Harry in WashDC]

On 1/14/2016, 3:54:53, tanstaafl2 said:

"EC12" until (or when if you are as cynical as I am) the age statement is dropped. Then "EC". Or perhaps "ECNAS"...

Not sure what the distillery website calls anything is that helpful. They don't even list Elijah Craig Barrel Proof as an option (although the Bardstown Whiskey Society website does list it) so I suppose based on the website the abbreviation for that would be "     ".

LOL.  Let the newbies try to figure THAT out.

FWIW, there are a few Virginia ABC stores that have both the EC12 and ECnas in both 750 and handles on the shelves - LOTS more of the nas in both sizes.  AND, the EC 750s are on sale @ $26 vs. $29 plus tax.  The handles are not on sale but they are available.

[smokinjoe]

EC12 sounds like a winner.  Personally, that would have been my 3rd choice, but I can't argue with any of the options, really.  They all have merit .  I hope to have the abbreviations thread up shortly.  

[Phil T]

It may be a mute point Joe, Bernie Lubbers is quoted as saying the age statement is going away.

[tanstaafl2]

30 minutes ago, Phil T said:

It may be a mute point Joe, Bernie Lubbers is quoted as saying the age statement is going away.

Well, there's a shock. Although if he is mute how can he say anything?

[smokinjoe]

31 minutes ago, Phil T said:

It may be a mute point Joe, Bernie Lubbers is quoted as saying the age statement is going away.

Oh well, Phil.  But, I stated my position in the following thread what I generally feel about that:

 I did hear something about Bernie Lubbers speaking about age statement losses in 2016, but did he specifically mention EC12?

Otherwise, it's Plan B!

[Charlutz]

35 minutes ago, Phil T said:

It may be a mute point Joe, Bernie Lubbers is quoted as saying the age statement is going away.

I don't think it will be a moot point for several years at least. Even if they remove it tomorrow, there's lots of it on the shelves with the age statement. With as much love as it gets here (myself included) I'm guessing a shit ton of it will get bunkered away before it disappears. We'll be drinking it (and posting about it) for a looooong time!

[Phil T]

33 minutes ago, smokinjoe said:

Oh well, Phil.  But, I stated my position in the following thread what I generally feel about that:

 I did hear something about Bernie Lubbers speaking about age statement losses in 2016, but did he specifically mention EC12?

Otherwise, it's Plan B!

Yes, he did say very soon. The brand is growing too much to keep up with. They don't want to allocate,  so they are dropping the AS. He also said ECBP will stay 12yr., with a spring and fall release 

[tanstaafl2]

4 minutes ago, Phil T said:

Yes, he did say very soon. The brand is growing too much to keep up with. They don't want to allocate,  so they are dropping the AS. He also said ECBP will stay 12yr., with a spring and fall release 

I wonder how much the price will go down if or, as seems likely, when the age statement goes away!

I suppose it could be priced lower to distributors who then choose to sell it to retailers at the same price (or higher) and keep the savings to themselves but somehow I doubt that there will be ay price reduction at all for a product that is not the same as it used to be. We can leave the debate about whether it is the same quality until and when it happens I suppose.

[Charlutz]

5 minutes ago, tanstaafl2 said:

I wonder how much the price will go down if or, as seems likely, when the age statement goes away!

I suppose it could be priced lower to distributors who then choose to sell it to retailers at the same price (or higher) and keep the savings to themselves but somehow I doubt that there will be ay price reduction at all for a product that is not the same as it used to be. We can leave the debate about whether it is the same quality until and when it happens I suppose.

It's pretty safe that the price won't drop, but as it's one of the best values out there it'll maybe fall into merely "appropriately priced." I'll be sad to be sure, but we have everyday pricing of <$23 for a 750 and <$48 for a 1.75 of 12 year 94 proof whiskey, and occasionally sale pricing below that. There's quite a bit of headroom in there to where it's still fair. Sucks, but I'll still buy it if the quality is there. 

[Louisiana]

41 minutes ago, Phil T said:

Yes, he did say very soon. The brand is growing too much to keep up with. They don't want to allocate,  so they are dropping the AS. He also said ECBP will stay 12yr., with a spring and fall release 

What exactly does this mean for ECBP after spring and fall?

[tanstaafl2]

41 minutes ago, Louisiana said:

What exactly does this mean for ECBP after spring and fall?

The implication, at least to me, is that each year going forward there will be a release of ECBP in the spring and another in the fall until something changes.