Baffled by Pappy 15

[ggilbertva]

Greg, congratulations on the franchise. If you don't mind my asking, what franchise did you purchase?

Mark

Mark,

Purchased a multi unit development of Firehouse Subs in the Northern VA area. I'll be getting GC bids here in a couple of weeks and will begin buildout so unfortunately, both the Sampler and the KBF will be a no go for me this year. Guess I'll have to drink alone.

[smokinjoe]

Mark,

Purchased a multi unit development of Firehouse Subs in the Northern VA area. I'll be getting GC bids here in a couple of weeks and will begin buildout so unfortunately, both the Sampler and the KBF will be a no go for me this year. Guess I'll have to drink alone.

Congratulations, Greg. You have my admiration for taking the plunge in a new business. Nice job. :toast: to your success!

JOE

[Russellc]

PVW15 seems to be my consistent favorite, a bit more character and octane than:cool: the 20, but the 20 is smoother and so is the lot B with a little less character.

Having all three on hand, I agree with everything you've expressed.

russellc

[NickAtMartinis]

Mark,

Purchased a multi unit development of Firehouse Subs in the Northern VA area. I'll be getting GC bids here in a couple of weeks and will begin buildout so unfortunately, both the Sampler and the KBF will be a no go for me this year. Guess I'll have to drink alone.

Something tells me you'd rather be building a business. Good for you. I'd certainly do the same. Good luck!

[Markoturbo]

Quick question about Pappy 15 (or other Van Winkle products, if appropriate). We got a bunch of PVW15 in WA in December and now it appears that most of it is gone. Is there just one annual release date of certain Van Winkle products? Does it vary by state? I know it's probably complicated but I figured I'd ask. I have 2.5 bottles left and need to know how slow to sip them :cool:

Wa. must be similar to Oregon the allocation comes in December and is gone by January. I have found that Anique Weller 107 is a good available stand by. I was in Seattle this weekend and found our states are too similar on popular stand by inventory, Mark

[Markoturbo]

Van Winkle knows what we Bourbarions want, Mark

[cowdery]

I don't think Van Winkle does anything as formal as a set annual release like BTAC, at least Julian doesn't publicize it that way. But all Van Winkle products are very small bottlings. I think he lets it build up until he has enough demand, and enough ready product, to dump several barrels (it's not defacto single barrel, I don't think, in most cases).

Although, doesn't he bottle in the single-bottle hall? He certainly doesn't label any of his products single barrel. That's for sure, but maybe some of them are, just because the runs are so small.

Of course, some of his stuff is already in stainless.

Whatever, it is just really, really small batches. Does he tend to bottle each product once a year? More often? Less often? I don't know exactly, but I know the bottlings are very small and he probably hasn't formalized it because he doesn't see an advantage in that and would rather have the flexibility. I don't even think he batch-labels everything, but I may be wrong about that.

As for Sititzel-Weller, It has always been the case (except for that one weird Pappy 23) that everything Pappy is S-W, some of the other Van Winkles may not be, and anything Old Rip, current product, definitely is not S-W, but S-W Old Rip dusties can still be found. If any of that has changed, I haven't heard about it.

[gothbat]

As for Sititzel-Weller, It has always been the case (except for that one weird Pappy 23) that everything Pappy is S-W, some of the other Van Winkles may not be, and anything Old Rip, current product, definitely is not S-W, but S-W Old Rip dusties can still be found. If any of that has changed, I haven't heard about it.

I read here that the original, Lawrenceburg label, bottling of PVW20 was a rye recipe bourbon; was that one SW? Maybe no one knows, the same question is asked in that thread but maybe some new info has surfaced.

[Pharaoh]

I read here that the original, Lawrenceburg label, bottling of PVW20 was a rye recipe bourbon; was that one SW? Maybe no one knows, the same question is asked in that thread but maybe some new info has surfaced.

If I understood correctly, the SW operation made wheat product only - if so, anything rye or rye recipe/formula could not have been SW whiskey.

My understanding is the Van Winkle 12 year old and Old Rip 10 are no longer made of or exclusively with SW whiskey.

[cowdery]

I read here that the original, Lawrenceburg label, bottling of PVW20 was a rye recipe bourbon; was that one SW? Maybe no one knows, the same question is asked in that thread but maybe some new info has surfaced.

That's the "weird one" I was referring to. All the rest have been S-W, I believe.

[gothbat]

I had assumed it was the same case with the first 20 as with the first 23 but I began to wonder once I found that thread. I'm assuming a mystery source for that whiskey as well? Just wondering.

[Pharaoh]

I had assumed it was the same case with the first 20 as with the first 23 but I began to wonder once I found that thread. I'm assuming a mystery source for that whiskey as well? Just wondering.

This is just my interpretation and I'm not trying to be a smart ass here - It seems until recently, "the source of" was a non issue or at least not a primary concern. The motto carried over seemed to be more along the lines of "Always good whiskey", and that's what was expected and (at least to those that faithfully liked the selection) - is what was delivered.

Knowing about or even caring about every detail behind the curtain at the magic show is more of a recent phenomenon imho. But if you do find some answers... like any other 'rubber-necker' - I wanna know too.:cool:

[gothbat]

Yeah, to be honest I don't know why I wonder about things like that but after finding this board and reading how specific some people can be when talking about certain bottles (ie. the same brand name coming from different distilleries or being bottled at different locations) it's become sort of an instinct. It wouldn't really affect what I buy, especially when it comes to this particular brand but it's still nice to know. The only exception, of course, would be if I myself noticed an unenjoyable difference between the products of 2 different distilleries bottled under the same name. For me it's just some trivia to remember, I suppose.

[TNbourbon]

I read...that the original, Lawrenceburg label, bottling of PVW20 was a rye recipe bourbon; was that one SW?..

Boone Bros. Funny that Julian has been open about the original 20, but less forthcoming about the first 23yo, which was phenomenal bourbon. We can't even bait him into responding to our 'educated':skep: guesses!:grin:

[Mamba]

As for Sititzel-Weller, It has always been the case (except for that one weird Pappy 23) that everything Pappy is S-W, some of the other Van Winkles may not be, and anything Old Rip, current product, definitely is not S-W, but S-W Old Rip dusties can still be found. If any of that has changed, I haven't heard about it.

I thought Julian has posted here that Pappy 15 is no longer pure SW. I'm sure you know Chuck.. Just reminding others that may be newer (and those who haven't read this entire thread).

[cowdery]

I was thinking it was Family Reserve but now that you refresh my memory, I think you may be right. Maybe it is the Pappy 15.

Somebody should write this stuff down.

[luv2hunt]

It is written here. Lot B is no longer SW. Pappy 15 is no longer 100% SW.

[ACDetroit]

Not here, but on the board yes! I believe Julian stated it in another Pappy 15 post!

Tony

[cowdery]

Yes.

Old Rip Van Winkle = Bernheim whiskey

Lot B = Family Reserve = Bernheim whiskey

Pappy 15 = mixture of SW and Bernheim

Pappy 20 & 23 = 100% SW.

[NickAtMartinis]

Yes.

Old Rip Van Winkle = Bernheim whiskey

Lot B = Family Reserve = Bernheim whiskey

Pappy 15 = mixture of SW and Bernheim

Pappy 20 & 23 = 100% SW.

Chuck, if I'm not mistaken, I think Julian said that he didn't care for the Bernheim for his PVW 15 so he went with BT and a mix of SW.

[cowdery]

I yield to superior memories, which is probably everybody compared to me.

It has always been a question how much wheated bourbon BT made before it obtained the Weller brand in 1999. It received, as part of that acquisition, whiskey from Diageo which included both SW and Bernheim. BT started to make wheated bourbon in earnest after the acquisition and it made wheated bourbon before, but not specifically to support any brand so we don't know how much.

[OscarV]

BT started to make wheated bourbon in earnest after the acquisition and it made wheated bourbon before, but not specifically to support any brand

If BT was not using that wheated bourbon for a brand than what were they using it for?

[cowdery]

They made some under contract for UD, but I don't know how much or when.