Bib

[cowdery]

Yeah, Ohio will buy stuff that's not on the list, if it's on the other list.

[callmeox]

On the occasions that I have spoken to the ODLC about products, the very nice staff has offered to order in whatever I want, provided that I buy it in case lots. When I asked about the availability of items already on the special order list, they would comment that they brought that at the request of a specific bar or customer.

Ohio law allows us to bring in 1L a month tax free. Any volume above and beyond that is supposed to be ordered through the special order program and since those items are delivered to the customer through an ODLC outlet, they need to appear on the price list somewhere (but I don't know for how long.

But, to get this back on topic, there are a number of good inexpensive bonds that are on the regular list. While I'm not happy with the general selection here overall, the availability of these quality products is a plus.

[BourbonJoe]

The one time, and only one time, they sold it in PA it was 15 bucks.

Joe :usflag:

[cowdery]

On the occasions that I have spoken to the ODLC about products, the very nice staff has offered to order in whatever I want, provided that I buy it in case lots. When I asked about the availability of items already on the special order list, they would comment that they brought that at the request of a specific bar or customer.

I misunderstood. I thought you said there was a special order list.

[callmeox]

It's an "after the fact list" or a "things we've already ordered for someone else list" and you will find it at the bottom of The List online.

http://www.liquorcontrol.ohio.gov/dolc.liquor.pricelist.txt

[cowdery]

The D O L C PRICE LIST is like a history of the American distilled spirits industry, where old brands never die.

[mozilla]

Finished off some Rittenhouse Rye Bib and decided to revisit some Ancient Age Bib. The Ancient Age is no slouch. Has a bit more corn than the RR...but, cuts no corners with flavor. It could stand a little more age though its youth shows good starts to complexity. This 1.75 is right in the middle price range at $21-23.

And yes, I know it is not the 10 year.

[smokinjoe]

Finished off some Rittenhouse Rye Bib and decided to revisit some Ancient Age Bib. The Ancient Age is no slouch. Has a bit more corn than the RR...but, cuts no corners with flavor. It could stand a little more age though its youth shows good starts to complexity. This 1.75 is right in the middle price range at $21-23.

And yes, I know it is not the 10 year.

Thanks for the reminder, Jeff. It's been some time since I hit my AA BIB. I know I've had nights where I've bounced around my bunker, and this one was the highlight of the trip. Yep, I'm getting big creamed corn with it. You're right, it's youngish, but very feisty. Which to me, is a good thing. Is this easily found in Texas, Jeff? I don't see it here in Georgia, so I usually pick it up in TN or KY. I like it, so I'll be adding it to my cart at KBF.

Cheers!

[mozilla]

Sorry Joe, I had to get my bottle in Ky, as well. I try to pick up every Bib I find, while visiting distilleries. AA always makes it into the cart. I use it to stretch my AAA 10yr, incase I drink my stash before returning to the Holyland.

[PhilsFan]

Before I went on vacation, I left a message for Rachel Peak of Capital Cellars in Frankfort about the availability of Colonel Lee. She left a message on my work phone and said that both Colonel Lee and Tom Moore are no longer being produced, and the distributor had no more of either bourbon. Kentucky Gentleman and VOB (thankfully) are still being produced.

-Joe

[mozilla]

I don't think her information is correct. Tom Moore is a huge seller in Texas....and it comes from the same mashbill as everyother Barton bourbon except 1792. So, they produce the bourbon...for sure. Whether, they use those labels in Ky is the question that needs to be answered.

Most emails to Barton seem to go unanswered...so, if someone wants to take on the task of getting a definite answere from the distillery....that would be fantastic.

[PhilsFan]

I don't think her information is correct. Tom Moore is a huge seller in Texas....and it comes from the same mashbill as everyother Barton bourbon except 1792. So, they produce the bourbon...for sure. Whether, they use those labels in Ky is the question that needs to be answered.

Most emails to Barton seem to go unanswered...so, if someone wants to take on the task of getting a definite answere from the distillery....that would be fantastic.

You may be right that the labels just aren't available in KY anymore, but she actually used the words "no longer being produced" and although I only received a message from her, and didn't talk to her directly, I got the impression that she did a little research on it. I'll see if I can speak to her live and try to trace down her source of info.

-Joe

[PhilsFan]

I don't think her information is correct. Tom Moore is a huge seller in Texas....and it comes from the same mashbill as everyother Barton bourbon except 1792. So, they produce the bourbon...for sure. Whether, they use those labels in Ky is the question that needs to be answered.

Most emails to Barton seem to go unanswered...so, if someone wants to take on the task of getting a definite answere from the distillery....that would be fantastic.

I just talked to Rachel from Capital Cellars and she said that Bryant Distributors told her that Colonel Lee and Tom Moore were no longer available in KY, but she said that Texas, New York and California are huge markets for the Tom Moore distillery and that's why the product is still available in those areas.

-Joe

[mozilla]

Great info!

I wonder where the big market for Colonel Lee is?

[Jono]

I loved:

Henry McKenna & JTS Brown...both very enjoyable to drink.

Liked the VOB....it has a hard to describe taste element...a little dryish.

OGD 100 a little rough but an ok pour...a good mixer.

Old Charter 8....a little disappointed...seems light and thin.

[mozilla]

Jon,

were all of those Bib? OC 8 is usually an 80 proofer.

[cowdery]

I've seen Colonel Lee in speedracks here in Chicago.

I would find it hard to believe that Constellation has discontinued Tom Moore, since they're just renamed the distillery as the Tom Moore Distillery.

Both are still listed on the Barton web site.

[Jono]

Right, the OC 8 and McKenna are at 80 proof.

[BourbonJoe]

Greg Davis told us a couple of years ago that Colonel Lee was being discontinued.

Joe :usflag:

[CorvallisCracker]

I've seen Colonel Lee in speedracks here in Chicago.

I would find it hard to believe that Constellation has discontinued Tom Moore, since they're just renamed the distillery as the Tom Moore Distillery.

Both are still listed on the Barton web site.

Note that on that page are listed the CL and TM Light Whiskies; however clicking on those takes you to the bourbons with those labels.

However, there were, until last year, such critters, and perhaps that's what was being referenced in the "being discontinued" statements.

Interestingly, although they've been delinked, the web pages for those are still on the web site: CL Light and TM Light.

I'm pretty sure that Barton was the last producer of "Light Whiskey", a relict of the early seventies.

[cowdery]

Because Constellation is in a process of realignment, the shedding of some brands is certainly plausible. Since they have named the distillery Tom Moore (the name of the original distillery on that location, and the name of its founder), it's possible that they are discontinuing Tom Moore in its current iteration in anticipation of a future relaunch of it as the distillery's flagship. That's all speculation, of course.

The web site I linked to above, although it is still live, is effectively superceded by the new cbrands.com site, which lists Tom Moore but not Colonel Lee or, for that matter, Kentucky Gentleman. Under bourbon it lists VOB, Tom Moore, Ten High, and Kentucky Tavern. Ridgemont Reserve 1792 is listed under Premium Spirits.

I also understand from a source at Barton that the Barton name will be retained as the umbrella under which their commodity and regional brands will be marketed, and perhaps those brands will live on there, but there's nothing on the new web site about it.

Of course, knowing what we know, if they are discontinuing either of these brands, that only means they'll be available at retail for the next 30 years or so.

[ThomasH]

I do think Colonel Lee has been discontinued. It used to be available in nearly every store in Ohio and sold quite well. I think Ohio was one of its major markets. Now, it is gone and no longer listed on the ODLC price list. Like Chuck C said, distillers just don't normally delist a brand in Ohio!

Thomas

[cowdery]

True. If it has been delisted in Ohio, it's gone.

[OscarV]

WOW!!!

When I first got into to this bourbon thing fully,...

I thought it would be cool to have a bottle of Colonel Lee.

Recently, through the networking here on the mighty, mighty, mighty, SB.com I finally got one.

PhilsFan & ThomasH rocks!!!

Umm,... you know what?

A Kentucky Gentelman would look real cool on my shelf,...:grin:

[cowdery]

I've often wondered if they would keep Kentucky Gentleman since, bizarre as it seems that anyone would have ever knocked off Kentucky Tavern, that's exactly what Kentucky Gentleman was, a Kentucky Tavern knock-off.

Knock-offs are kind of fun. Gary Gillman and I are now convinced that Benchmark was originally developed as a Maker's Mark knock-off.