mgilbertva Posted November 7, 2009 Share Posted November 7, 2009 You're probably right. Given the bizarro world of regulations controlling the liquor industry I wouldn't be surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loose proton Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I sampled the John J. single barrel and the Bowman Brothers small batch. Tastey. My single barrel is smooth with very distinct wood. Not very complex, but enjoyable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I sampled the John J. single barrel and the Bowman Brothers small batch. Tastey. My single barrel is smooth with very distinct wood. Not very complex, but enjoyable.would your recommend one over the other? And, more importantly, are they on the shelves yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loose proton Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Based on the bottles I have, I'd recommend the single barrel way over the small batch. I've not sampled the rye and not sure if it is on the shelves yet. The other two should be in your local Va ABC store (as of today) or will turn up next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarnv Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Well, we know why the cost is so high now... there must be some regulation or license that drives them to bottle in KY... especially if this is only a Virginia releaseThe capital required to add in the small bottling line would be small… almost free if they used some recycled equipment from a defunct distillery.Em, Bowman has a full bottling line in place that is used for all their products including Virginia Gent...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 Em, Bowman has a full bottling line in place that is used for all their products including Virginia Gent......I know they have had a bottling line, but do they still? How current is your information?Bowman has historically sold a lot of commodity products--gin, rum, vodka--and I assume they still do. They've also done contract bottling, so they probably do still have bottling there.Are the new products cork-finished? If so, that would explain why they were bottled in Frankfort, not Fredericksburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loose proton Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 They are wide mouth top of bottle like Elijah Craig jug; cork with large wood knob on top like some WT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spun_cookie Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 I know they have had a bottling line, but do they still? How current is your information?Bowman has historically sold a lot of commodity products--gin, rum, vodka--and I assume they still do. They've also done contract bottling, so they probably do still have bottling there.Are the new products cork-finished? If so, that would explain why they were bottled in Frankfort, not Fredericksburg.Less than a year. We tookj a nive VIP tour thanbks to Reid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Based on the photo Proton posted it's a hand bottling job, which must be why they did it in Frankfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarnv Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Based on the photo Proton posted it's a hand bottling job, which must be why they did it in Frankfort.If the bottling is by hand one would think it could be done anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barturtle Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 If the bottling is by hand one would think it could be done anywhere?Everyone seems to be pretty insistant that this should have been done in VA. In reality setting up a single barrel line, like the one in Frankfort, would require significant investment, both in equipment and training of personnel. Fuel continues to be dirt-cheap, meaning that they can load up a truck load of full barrels (enough for several days production) and run them to KY for nearly nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarnv Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 In all honesty I think some of us who are not as well versed in distillery operations tend to view it from a common sense perspective. Moving barrels would seem to incur a fair amount of expense with fuel being the least of it. On a side note the Deep Run Vodka and Colonial Era Rum which are in the same style bottle and part of the same "Pioneer Spirit" offering are bottled at the Bowman facility in Virginia... same bottle, same cork finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 tookj nive thanbksUh? :grin:... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Based on the photo Proton posted it's a hand bottling job, which must be why they did it in Frankfort.If the bottling is by hand one would think it could be done anywhere?Fighting...temptation...to...make...off-color...pun...:banghead: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 There are many other possible reasons for it being done in Frankfort instead of Fredericksburg, including simple scheduling issues. It's hardly important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OscarV Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Fighting...temptation...to...make...off-color...pun...:banghead:Josh you are a very bad boy.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 Josh you are a very bad boy.:cool:I am, I am. I may have to confess to the Rev. Elijah Craig tonight.:pope: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarnv Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 There are many other possible reasons for it being done in Frankfort instead of Fredericksburg, including simple scheduling issues. It's hardly important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 The official statement I received from Buffalo Trace is as follows:These whiskies are distilled at Buffalo Trace twice and then A.Smith Bowman distilled them a third time using their unique still. The barrels are filled and aged in Virginia. Everything is bottled here at BTD. I have asked for a further clarification in light of cigarnv's post, especially since he apparently believes the President of the United States is involved in this massive coverup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spun_cookie Posted November 16, 2009 Share Posted November 16, 2009 ... the United States is involved in this massive coverup. Now we have Bourbon Gate. Didn't take long to raise the tax on it then confuse the situation with reterick... Yup... Sounds like a politician may be in the mix. Speak easy, Drink hard, and leave nothing behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Joe is right, my source at BT was wrong. Misunderstanding, I'm told. Apologies all the way around. Everything was bottled at Bowman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cigarnv Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Thanks Chuck, appreciate the follow up with BT!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loose proton Posted November 18, 2009 Share Posted November 18, 2009 I'm now sampling the Abraham Bowman Rye. Nice! I didn't expect to enjoy it this much because I don't normally like the very high rye such as WTRR-rye. But this isn't super heavy rye. Very flavorful, good wood, nice earthy aftertaste. Definitely recommend, especially if you like rye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilbertva Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Good to hear, although ggilbertva reports the bottles cigarnv opened was not so great; at least, not given how much they cost. Care to weigh in guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 I wonder how the new rye compares to, say, Baby Saz? It just occurred to me that perhaps this is BT's first attempt to use some of the rye they found aging at Tom Moore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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