Another Age Statement Bites the Dust (And More Recent COLA Findings)

[c2walker]

I don't think too many SBers are going to be devastated by this news, but it appears that Basil Hayden's is soon to be an "artfully aged" bourbon.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12075001000082

Other COLA findings this week:

* A pair of new small batch bourbons out of Buffalo Trace.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12073001000517

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12074001000028

* Jefferson's 10 year Rye loses "Produced in Canada" statement.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12072001000513

* 2012 OFBB "barrelled in 2000"

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12065001000197

* The new EC 12 label Josh posted on earlier.

https://www.ttbonline.gov/colasonline/viewColaDetails.do?action=publicFormDisplay&ttbid=12067001000462

[Clavius]

Interesting! I had no idea this kind of info was publicly available.

[JayMonster]

So, Buffalo Trace doesn't have enough whiskey (allegedly), for some of their existing labels, but they are creating (reviving) new brands?

And this may be a bit of a n00b question, but why do these companies continue to create new "companies" when they put out a new label? Is it an accounting thing? A way to make it easier to kill or sell off a "brand" later? Or is it simply to mislead consumers? (I'm not being factitious or accusatory... I am genuinely curious as to why they do this.)

[Restaurant man]

Always love your posts walker. Great info

[Bourbon Boiler]

Are the age statements disappearing due to the booming sales, and companies sales goals would come up short without short-cutting a few of the products?

[craigthom]

Thanks for the info.

What's up with the font on the Black Creek label? Are they going to use it in a new Star Trek movie?

[mosugoji64]

So, Buffalo Trace doesn't have enough whiskey (allegedly), for some of their existing labels, but they are creating (reviving) new brands?

And this may be a bit of a n00b question, but why do these companies continue to create new "companies" when they put out a new label? Is it an accounting thing? A way to make it easier to kill or sell off a "brand" later? Or is it simply to mislead consumers? (I'm not being factitious or accusatory... I am genuinely curious as to why they do this.)

You beat me to it, Jay. I don't understand why they're introducing a new, age-stated label when they're supposedly dropping them elsewhere due to low stocks. Could it be that this is something they've had in the pipeline for some time and was coming out regardless of what happened elsewhere? Do we know if this is a Sazerac or an Age Intl. brand? Perhaps some more informed members can shed some light here.

[BradleyC]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

[Restaurant man]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

Um... Didn't notice. This is wonderful news! I'm sick of boiling off the water on the regular EC12 :slappin:

[AaronWF]

Was Basil Hayden ever age-stated? I didn't think it was. There's no change with the Bday Bourbon. Every bottle I've seen is labeled with the year of barreling, the year of bottling and a minimum year age statement.

So, which age statement bit the dust?

As for Sazerac releasing bourbons under multiple companies, I would think it would make sense to release bottom, mid, and top shelf whiskies under separate names, just so as not to confuse the vodka drinkers who may be newly discovering how to use their taste buds.

[BradleyC]

Um... Didn't notice. This is wonderful news! I'm sick of boiling off the water on the regular EC12 :slappin:

Definitely good news.

[JayMonster]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

It also notes in section 19 that this is a "cask strength " bottling, thus proof and abv would be written in.

[ILLfarmboy]

I wonder if the EC 12 at barrel proof is meant to compete with KC single barrel.

In any case if HH has the extra aging barrels in rackhouses to put to-wards this, I'd prefer they concentrate on improving FC, perhaps with an age statement of 8 years. Why not give FC an upgrade in taste and image?

[Kyjd75]

Was Basil Hayden ever age-stated? I didn't think it was. There's no change with the Bday Bourbon. Every bottle I've seen is labeled with the year of barreling, the year of bottling and a minimum year age statement.

So, which age statement bit the dust?

I just checked the bottle of Basil Hayden in my cabinet (purchased a couple of months ago) and it is age-stated as 8 years old, so yes, this does appear to be a new NAS for BH.

[redbear]

[silverfish]

I recently got excited over the JD 10 Million Case label and

the Chieftain's Ardbeg 17 year. Ben Kickert rained on my

parade thusly:

"Just remember, TTB COLA labels are like patents... just

because a company has approval, doesn't mean it will

actually be released."

[RocknRoll]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

It also notes in section 19 that this is a "cask strength " bottling, thus proof and abv would be written in.

Does this mean the usual EC12 ( stated as 'Small Batch' and '94 proof' ) is switching to 'cask strength'?

[mosugoji64]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

Holy crap, I totally missed that! If this comes to pass, it's great news! I'm already a fan, and a barrel-strength version would be in my house the day it's available.

Josh - did you notice the bump in proof on the bottle you saw?

[craigthom]

Off topic: Silverfish, I don't know if you caught it, but William Finley, the actor in your picture, died Saturday.

[jburlowski]

So, Buffalo Trace doesn't have enough whiskey (allegedly), for some of their existing labels, but they are creating (reviving) new brands?

And this may be a bit of a n00b question, but why do these companies continue to create new "companies" when they put out a new label? Is it an accounting thing? A way to make it easier to kill or sell off a "brand" later? Or is it simply to mislead consumers? (I'm not being factitious or accusatory... I am genuinely curious as to why they do this.)

BT's shortage is in wheated bourbon, my bet is these aren't wheaters.

I think it was already established here some time back that Clear Spring Distilling is a Costco brand produced under contract from BT.

Since the Jeffers Creek label lists only four specific barrels my guess that it's a barrel-selection deal for a bar, retailer, etc.

[BFerguson]

I recently got excited over the JD 10 Million Case label and

the Chieftain's Ardbeg 17 year. Ben Kickert rained on my

parade thusly:

"Just remember, TTB COLA labels are like patents... just

because a company has approval, doesn't mean it will

actually be released."

For the Jack they still only listed at 40, would have been nice to see them kick it up a more like it used to be, or as they have done with other recent bottling's.

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[Lazer]

Did anyone notice the Elijah Craig 12 indicates it was 132 proof/66%? I think I would buy one of those.

[c2walker]

Looks like we might also be seeing an Elijah Craig Single Barrel 21 year, 22 year, and 23 year. My guess is that these will all be distillery releases.

There were are also a couple more new labels submitted by Buffalo Trace (like this), but none are particularly exciting. Is there a chance that BT is bottling for other companies? I'm just trying to think of reasons why we've seen so many new 90 proof labels on COLA coming out of there.

[callmeox]

Clear Springs is a DBA that was transferred from Beam to Buffalo Trace back in 2011. It appears that they're now using it as the labeled distillery for house branded bottlings for large retailers (like Costco).

The DBA may have been a part of the Old Taylor name acquisition by BT, to aid in the disposal of the barrels of Beam distilled Taylor that were included in the transaction.

[Josh]

Mat stated in a previous thread that the proof on the COLA is not an indication of what the proof of the release is. The proof can be changed without needing to create a new whole new label.

In other words, I would not hold my breath for a new barrel proof EC 12 general release, as really frickin awesome as that might be.