Where do NDP's get their whiskey

[AGarrison]

Chuck's recent blog (http://chuckcowdery.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-rational-way-to-regard-ndp-whiskeys.html ) got me wondering where do the NDP's get their whiskey? Anyone have changes/fixes to this list?

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[TD]Used By

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[TD]Alltech[/TD]

[TD]Lexington Brewing & Distilling Co[/TD]

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[TD]Beam[/TD]

[TD]Booker Noe Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Beam[/TD]

[TD]Jim Beam Distillery[/TD]

[TD]Luxco[/TD]

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[TD]Beam[/TD]

[TD]Maker's Mark Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Brown-Forman[/TD]

[TD]Brown-Forman Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Brown-Forman[/TD]

[TD]Jack Daniels Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Brown-Forman[/TD]

[TD]Woodford Reserve Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Diageo[/TD]

[TD]George Dickel Distillery[/TD]

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[TD]Heaven Hill[/TD]

[TD]Heaven Hill Distillery[/TD]

[TD]Haas Brothers, Luxco, Strong Spirits[/TD]

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[TD]Kirin[/TD]

[TD]Four Roses[/TD]

[TD]Bulleit, High West, Jefferson Reserve small batch[/TD]

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[TD]MGPI[/TD]

[TD]MGPI[/TD]

[TD]too many to mention[/TD]

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[TD]Sazerac[/TD]

[TD]A. Smith Bowman[/TD]

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[TD]Sazerac[/TD]

[TD]Barton 1792 Distillery[/TD]

[TD]High West[/TD]

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[TD]Sazerac[/TD]

[TD]Buffalo Trace Distillery[/TD]

[TD]Firefly, Pappy Van Winkle[/TD]

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[TD]Wild Turkey[/TD]

[TD]Wild Turkey Distillery[/TD]

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Edited May 27, 2013 by AGarrison

[sku]

This will be tough to do as there are so many, and many we don't know about. Also, the "sells to" category is a bit misleading as it doesn't always work that way. Often times, the transaction isn't direct. For instance, High West has used Barton but I don't believe they bought any of it directly from the distillery. And of course, KBD has whiskey from all over the place.

And for the record, here's my (likely incomplete) list of labels that have used LDI/MGPI whiskey:

4 Spirits Bourbon (4 Spirits)

Angels' Envy Rye

Backbone Bourbon (Crossroads Vitners/Strong Spirits)

Big Ass Bourbon (Strong Spirits)

Big Bottom Bourbon (Big Bottom)

Bone Snapper Rye (Strong Spirits)

Bulleit Rye (Diageo)

Chattanooga Whiskey 1816 Reserve (Chattanooga Whiskey Co.)

Cougar Bourbon & Rye (Foster's)

Filibuster Bourbon & Rye (M.S. Trading LP)

George Dickel Rye (George Dickel)

High Liquors Bourbon & Rye (High Liquors)

High West (an an element of many of their whiskeys blends)

Homestead Bourbon

J. Green Bourbon and Rye (Shadow Beverage Group)

James E. Pepper 1776 Rye (James E. Pepper/Strong Spirits)

Redemption Bourbon & Rye (Dynamic Beverages)

Riverboat Rye (Dynamic Beverages)

Seagram's 7 Blended Whiskey (Diageo)

Smooth Ambler Old Scout Bourbon & Rye (Smooth Ambler)

Spring Mill Bourbon (Heartland Distillers)

Templeton Rye (Templeton)

Temptation Bourbon (Dynamic Beverages)

WH Harrison Bourbon (Tipton Spirits)

Willett Rye (younger Indiana ryes)

[squire]

This is a good thread but cannot be accurate until the NDPs reveal their sources. I have a simpler sorting method based on price. I frankly give less than a damn who made the whisky if it tastes good and is worth what I paid. If Willet would sell me a 6 year old 100 proof Bourbon for $11.95 I might buy it but if they want $44.95 I will buy four bottles of HH BIB instead.

[AGarrison]

A few more LDI/MGPI:

Bone Snapper Rye (Strong Spirits)

Bourbon Brothers Whiskey (Shadow Beverage Group)

Breaker Bourbon Whiskey (Ascendant Spirits)

Ceran St. Vrain's Taos Lightning Straight Rye Whiskey (KGB Spirits)

Clarion Gold and Platinum Ultra-Premium Blended Bourbon Whiskey (Distilled Spirits Epicenter)

Corn Star Corn Whiskey (Strong Spirits)

Hooker's House Bourbon (Prohibition Spirits)

Hooker's House Rye (Prohibition Spirits)

New Holland Beer Barrel Bourbon (New Holland Brewing Co)

American Prairie Reserve (High West. combination of LDI and Four Roses)

Whiskey Trails (High Spirits Importing)

[tmckenzie]

Has anybody tried the corn star from strong? LDI corn I have yet to taste.

[Josh]

Traverse City is also MGPI.

[Variable]

This might be off topic for this thread, but as a new person to bourbon, would it be safe to stay away from these so called "mystery" bourbons? At least in the beginning anyways, while I get more familiar with the nuances, flavor profiles, etc.

[Josh]

Not necessarily. Just find a decent one and dive in. NDP doesn't equal bad.

[squire]

Variable I wouldn't stay away just because they are mystery whiskies (in the nondisclosure sense) if they are priced reasonably, but I refuse to pay a premium for a fancy bottle with an even more fanciable description.

[AGarrison]

Traverse City is also MGPI.

Josh, my notes have Traverse City sourcing its whiskey from Ugly Dog Distillery, but they expect to have their own product sometime in 2013. Do you have a link to MGPI as their source instead?

[Josh]

Josh, my notes have Traverse City sourcing its whiskey from Ugly Dog Distillery, but they expect to have their own product sometime in 2013. Do you have a link to MGPI as their source instead?

I don't have any direct confession from them, but Ugly Dog has not been around long enough for them to have distilled that bourbon. It also tastes like MGPI and the label says it is distilled in the "Midwest". If it was distilled in Michigan, they would have played that up. I will continue to dig on this, though.

[Josh]

Check that, I do have confirmation that it's not Ugly Dog. I exchanged FB messages with one of the proprietors and he confirmed that it was made by a producer outside of Michigan but in the Midwest, but they hope to begin distilling soon.

[AGarrison]

Check that, I do have confirmation that it's not Ugly Dog. I exchanged FB messages with one of the proprietors and he confirmed that it was made by a producer outside of Michigan but in the Midwest, but they hope to begin distilling soon.

That was fast! Thanks for running that down. I found some other internet posts that Ugly Dog does the bottling for Traverse City. Do you know if that is true?

[sku]

Josh, my notes have Traverse City sourcing its whiskey from Ugly Dog Distillery, but they expect to have their own product sometime in 2013. Do you have a link to MGPI as their source instead?

You might have gotten that from me. Ugly dog submitted one of the Traverse City COLAs, which may mean they are the bottler.

[squire]

Ugly Dog has an interesting description of "multiple methods of enzymatic hydrolization" on their website. Presumably they found one that worked.

[Josh]

Ugly Dog only do vodka as far as I can see. They have a bacon flavored one.

[squire]

Yeah I noticed, wonder how many experiments it took to come up with that one.

[Josh]

I mean vodka is the only spirit they product that I have seen. I'm positive they do bottling. They're actually not too far from Oscar. Maybe he can check out their operation. On the bacon topic, I did once bring a bacon-infused Old Fitz BiB to the gazebo once. Not very popular.

[squire]

Josh it seems odd to me the web site describes their work in gobbleyspeak emphasizing a commitment to quality and the product chosen to showcase this commitment is a bacon flavored mixer from an owner who says he dislikes flavored spirits.

[Josh]

Yeah, my eyes began to glaze over very quickly when looking at that site. I agree that it's odd but on the other hand it's similar to the other gobbleyspeak everybody else uses.

[squire]

Then they go off and buy the same ready made Bourbon.