TunnelTiger Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 (edited) With the continued growth of rye popularity why doesn't JB restore the original higher proof OH along with the quality? Edited October 29, 2013 by fishnbowljoe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillman Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Well, we've discussed partly this question in the other thread I believe in that since Beam only makes one rye recipe, and KC rye is 100 proof, surely that is a bonded Overholt or something very much like it. True, it doesn't state straight rye on the KC, but I'd have to assume it is at least 4 years old. For those who like the Beam rye profile, I do believe this is the one to buy.Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 My take on it is Beam doesn't want Overholt to compete with it's more profitable brands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisko Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Not to mention, I think they dropped it down to 3 years old to keep more rye in the pipeline for the Yellow Label and the Knob Rye.The Knob Rye is fine, (although not my favorite) but the pricing is ridiculous. It's about twice the Yellow Label but nowhere near twice as good. I'm normally a big fan of Beam products (a seeming minority around here) but the Knob Creek rye was a disappointment to me. And while I want to like Overholt, I don't. It was too thin, hot, and bland (I know, right?) at 4 years old, I don't think less time in the barrel is going to help it. The yellow label seems to be a little better, but variable. I buy it from time to time. Edited October 29, 2013 by Brisko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted October 29, 2013 Author Share Posted October 29, 2013 That's pretty much my tasting on Beam ryes and I'm told by old-time rye drinkers that OO is nothing like it used to be. I would have to assume that they just completely dropped the old mash bill and are just using the brand. If it sells fine, if it doesn't ok too.JB is really expanding their product line but they obviously don't think rye is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulO Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 This is more or less the same story for Old Crow, and the Beam version of Old Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) I think Beam acquired Taylor and Crow in part to stop the competition with their Beam White brand. Edited October 29, 2013 by squire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MauiSon Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 My limited experience is that 4yo OO has a lot in common with OGD86 and Beam YL Rye is thin and bland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmckenzie Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 OO is not nearly even a shadow of its former self. I have some of the last made in PA. Lovely lavender notes, leather, linseed oil, fine stuff. Oddly enough though, the closest thing to it is rittenhouse made at dsp one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdery Posted October 31, 2013 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Considering how many other outlets Beam has for its rye, most at a much more profitable price point, their attitude about OO is to leave it alone, not spend any money on it, and let the people who buy it keep buying it without burdening them with change. There's no good business reason for them to 'do anything' with OO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 I was guessing this might the answer. I am curious about their other rye outlets. Other than the JB rye what other brands are JBR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighInTheMtns Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I was guessing this might the answer. I am curious about their other rye outlets. Other than the JB rye what other brands are JBR?Ri(1) and Knob Creek Rye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TunnelTiger Posted November 1, 2013 Author Share Posted November 1, 2013 Thanks, tried both of them. Did not like either one. I guess I'll pass on the JBR if I ever see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarkle Posted November 1, 2013 Share Posted November 1, 2013 I have this theory that nobody wants to work on enhancing any brand with the word "Old" in it. GM killed Oldsmobile.HH didn't try to revamp the OF brand; they made a new one called "Larceny"."Nobody" knows Old Rip van Winkle. They know "Pappy's". As in, "yo, you got Pappy's? It can't be as smooth as the Blue!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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