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ChainWhip

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Saw this posted on another site but we were geeking out about Lagavulin barrels and what not today, so I figured this information from "The Alcohol Library" would be of interest to some:

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[TD]Ardbeg[/TD]

[TD]Bowmore[/TD]

[TD]Bruichladdich[/TD]

[TD]Bunnahabhain[/TD]

[TD]Caol Ila[/TD]

[TD]Lagavulin[/TD]

[TD]Laphroaig[/TD]

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[TD]Malt Type

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[TD][/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

[TD]Optic & organic Chalice[/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

[TD]Optic[/TD]

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[TD]Malt Specification Phenols[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]54 ppm av[/TD]

[TD]25 ppm av[/TD]

[TD]Bruichladdich: 3 - 4 ppm

Port Charlotte: 40 ppm

Octomore: 129 ppm[/TD]

[TD]Bunnahabhain: < 2 ppm

new peaty spirit: Not analysed[/TD]

[TD]Caol Ila: av 35 ppm

Caol Ila Highland: 0 ppm[/TD]

[TD]Av 35 ppm[/TD]

[TD]Port Ellen malt: av 40 ppm

Laphroig malt: av 43 ppm[/TD]

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[TD]Finished Phenols[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]23 - 24 ppm av[/TD]

[TD]8 - 10 ppm av[/TD]

[TD]Bruichladdich: trace

Port Charlotte: 20 - 25 ppm

Octomore: 46.4 ppm[/TD]

[TD]Bunnahabhain: trace

new peaty spirit: Not analysed[/TD]

[TD]Caol Ila: av 12-13 ppm

Caol Ila Highland: 0 ppm[/TD]

[TD]Av 16 - 18 ppm[/TD]

[TD]25 ppm[/TD]

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[TD]Washback Charge[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]23,500 lt[/TD]

[TD]40,000 lt[/TD]

[TD]36,000 lt[/TD]

[TD]66,500 lt[/TD]

[TD]54,000 lt[/TD]

[TD]21,300 lt[/TD]

[TD]42,000 lt[/TD]

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[TD]Washback Construction[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Oregon pine[/TD]

[TD]Oregon pine[/TD]

[TD]Oregon pine[/TD]

[TD]Oregon pine[/TD]

[TD]Oregon pine[/TD]

[TD]Larch[/TD]

[TD]Stainless steel[/TD]

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[TD]Yeast[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Mauri Cultured[/TD]

[TD]Mauri & Quest cultured (75/25)[/TD]

[TD]Quest cultured to start

Mauri cultured to finish[/TD]

[TD]Quest cultured[/TD]

[TD]Mauri Cultured[/TD]

[TD]Mauri & Quest cultured (50/50)[/TD]

[TD]Mauri Cultured[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Amount of Yeast[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]75 kg[/TD]

[TD]100kg[/TD]

[TD]150 kg[/TD]

[TD]250 kg[/TD]

[TD]150 kg[/TD]

[TD]50 kg[/TD]

[TD]125 kg[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Length of Fermentation[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]65-68 hrs (Week)

96 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]48 hrs (Week)

62 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]60 hrs (Week)

106.5 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]63 hrs (Week)

80 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]80 hrs (Week)

120 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]55 hrs[/TD]

[TD]55 hrs (Week)

90 hrs (Weekend)[/TD]

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[TD]Intial Fermentation Temperature[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]20� C (16� Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]19� C[/TD]

[TD]21� C[/TD]

[TD]20�C (18�C Weekend)[/TD]

[TD]16�C[/TD]

[TD]18�C[/TD]

[TD]18 - 19�C[/TD]

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[TD]Wash %[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]8% ABV[/TD]

[TD]7% ABV[/TD]

[TD]6-7% ABV[/TD]

[TD]6.5 - 8.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]8% ABV[/TD]

[TD]8.9% ABV[/TD]

[TD]8.5% ABV[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

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[TD]Wash Still[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD]Capacity[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]18,279 lt[/TD]

[TD]30,940 lt[/TD]

[TD]17,275 lt[/TD]

[TD]35,356 lt[/TD]

[TD]35,345 lt[/TD]

[TD]12,300 ltr[/TD]

[TD]10,500 lt[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Charge[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]11,700 lt (64% of capacity)[/TD]

[TD]20,000 lt (65% of capacity)[/TD]

[TD]12,000 lt (69% of capacity)[/TD]

[TD]16,625 lt (47% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]18,000 lt (51% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]10,500 lt ( 85% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]Not supplied[/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD]Heat source[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Steam coil with heating pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam coil with heating pans[/TD]

[TD]Pans & single steam coil[/TD]

[TD]Steam pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam coils & pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam Pans[/TD]

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[TD]Height[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]12 ft 3 in (3.73m)[/TD]

[TD]20 ft 8 in (6.3m)[/TD]

[TD]21 ft 6 in (6.55m)[/TD]

[TD]25 ft 10 in (7.87m)[/TD]

[TD]23 ft (7 m)[/TD]

[TD]22 ft 6 in (6.89m)[/TD]

[TD]19 ft 8 in (6.02m)[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Shape[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Lamp glass[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Lyne arm[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Very gently rising[/TD]

[TD]Straight[/TD]

[TD]Gently descending[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Gently descending (10�)[/TD]

[TD]Steeply descending[/TD]

[TD]Ascends[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Length of low wines run[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]5 hours approx[/TD]

[TD]8 hrs approx[/TD]

[TD]4.5 - 5 hrs[/TD]

[TD]5 hrs[/TD]

[TD]4 hrs[/TD]

[TD]4 hrs[/TD]

[TD]6 hrs[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Low wines collection range[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]46% to 1% ABV[/TD]

[TD]46% to 1% ABV[/TD]

[TD]Av 22.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]46 -0.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]42 - 1% ABV[/TD]

[TD]50 - 1% ABV[/TD]

[TD]45 - 1% ABV[/TD]

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[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

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[TD]Spirit Still[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Capacity[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]16,957 lt[/TD]

[TD]14,750 lt, 14,637 lt[/TD]

[TD]12,274 lt[/TD]

[TD]15,546 lt[/TD]

[TD]29,549 lt[/TD]

[TD]12,900 lt[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Charge[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]13,660 ltr (81% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]13,500 ltr (92% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]7,100 lt ( 58% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]9,000 - 9,600 lt (60% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]11,000 - 12,000 lt (37-41% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]12,200lt (95% capacity)[/TD]

[TD]4,700 lt & 9,400 lt[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Strength of charge[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]25% ABV[/TD]

[TD]27% ABV[/TD]

[TD]27% ABV[/TD]

[TD]26% ABV[/TD]

[TD]28% Abv[/TD]

[TD]25% ABV[/TD]

[TD]26% ABV[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Heat source[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Steam coil with heating pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam coil with heating pans[/TD]

[TD]Heat pans & 2 steam coils[/TD]

[TD]Steam pans[/TD]

[TD]Steam coils[/TD]

[TD]Steam coils[/TD]

[TD]Steam coils[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Height[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]12 ft (3.66 m)[/TD]

[TD]19 ft (5.8m)[/TD]

[TD]20 ft 6 in (6.25m)[/TD]

[TD]20 ft 10 in (6.35m)[/TD]

[TD]20 ft (6.09m)[/TD]

[TD]18 ft 10 in (5.73m)[/TD]

[TD]SM. 14 ft 5 in (4.4m) Lge 17 ft 9 in ( 5.41m)[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Shape[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Lamp glass[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain ( goose neck)[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Plain[/TD]

[TD]Lamp glass[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Lyne arm[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Very gently rising[/TD]

[TD]1 rises 10�, 2 rises 5�[/TD]

[TD]Gently descending[/TD]

[TD]Straight[/TD]

[TD]Very gently descending (5�)[/TD]

[TD]Gently Descending[/TD]

[TD]Ascends[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Purifier[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Yes[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

[TD]No[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Length of Foreshot run[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]10 minutes approx[/TD]

[TD]15 mins approx[/TD]

[TD]40 ins approx[/TD]

[TD]10 m ins approx[/TD]

[TD]25-30 mins[/TD]

[TD]30 mins[/TD]

[TD]45 mns, all stills[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Length of spirits run[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]5 hrs 15 mns approx[/TD]

[TD]2.5 to 3 hrs[/TD]

[TD]3 hrs approx[/TD]

[TD]2-3 hrs[/TD]

[TD]2.5-3 hrs[/TD]

[TD]5 hrs[/TD]

[TD]SM 2.25 hrs, Lge 3.5 hrs[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Length of Feints run[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]3 hrs 30 mins approx[/TD]

[TD]3.5 to 4 hrs[/TD]

[TD]3hrs 10 mins approx[/TD]

[TD]3 hrs approx[/TD]

[TD]30-3.5 hrs[/TD]

[TD]4 hrs 30 mns[/TD]

[TD]2 hrs, all stills[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Spirit cut[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]73% - 62.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]74% - 61.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]Varies. ON 76 - 71% ABV

OFF 64% ABV[/TD]

[TD]72 - 64%, new peaty spirit or

72 - 61.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]75 - 65% ABV[/TD]

[TD]72 - 59% ABV[/TD]

[TD]72 - 62.4% ABV[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Distilling strength[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]69.5% to 70.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]68.8% ABV average[/TD]

[TD]72% ABV[/TD]

[TD]68.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]70.5% ABV average[/TD]

[TD]68.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]67.5% ABV[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Storage strength[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]72% ABV[/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[TD]63.5% ABV[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD]Average spirit yield[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]402.1 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]408 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]401 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]409.5 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]403 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]405 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

[TD]406 lt of pure Alcohol/tonne of malt[/TD]

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[TR]

[TD]Type of casks[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]50% first fill bourbon (Jack Daniels)[/TD]

[TD]71% first fill American oak barrels[/TD]

[TD]65% first fill bourbon barrels[/TD]

[TD]90% first fill bourbon barrels[/TD]

[TD]100% second & third fill American oak[/TD]

[TD]99.5% third fill American oak hogsheads[/TD]

[TD]100% first fill bourbon, mainly ex Makers Mark air dried wood barrels[/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]50% second fill bourbon[/TD]

[TD]15% remake American oak hogsheads[/TD]

[TD]25% first fill sherry hogsheads[/TD]

[TD]10% first fill & second fill sherry casks[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]0.5% third fill sherry butts[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

[TR]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Very little sherry[/TD]

[TD]14% first fill sherry butts[/TD]

[TD]Balance- rum & wine casks[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[/TR]

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[TD]Major blends[/TD]

[TD][/TD]

[TD]Ballantynes, Teachers, Black Bottle[/TD]

[TD]Black Bottle, Rob Roy, Islay Hallmark[/TD]

[TD]Black Bottle[/TD]

[TD]Cutty Sark, Black Bottle, Famous Grouse, Scottish Leader[/TD]

[TD]Johnnie Walker range, Bells, Black Bottle[/TD]

[TD]None, small role in White Horse[/TD]

[TD]Ballantynes, Teachers, Long John, Islay Mist[/TD]

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ChainWhip Guru

ChainWhip

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High fungus resistance.

Sounds like there's some personal applications to be explored...

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So it's interesting also that Optic is the barley most commonly used - I wonder if most of that is malted @ Port Ellen?

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Tradition, and Oregon Pine does a very good job. Remember the Brits started trading off the Pacific North West coast back in the 18th century for furs, spars, timber and pitch. Surplus timbers were unloaded on the secondary market and the Scots with an eye for a bargain recycled them.

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MtnDew Connoisseur

MtnDew

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There seems to be a huge variance in fermentation time with the resulting difference in the ABV of the wash, anyone know why they all do things so different there?

And I had never even heard of the Black Bottle, I may have to look into that.

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squire Deity

squire

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I used to keep Black Bottle around for friends who liked the peated style but haven't bought any in quite some while, disappointing to hear of its decline.

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Brisko Virtuoso

Brisko

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I had a bottle last spring and it tasted pretty young. Don't recall that it had an age statement. Wasn't horrible but I vatted it with some other odds and ends.

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sutton Virtuoso

sutton

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I had a bottle last spring and it tasted pretty young. Don't recall that it had an age statement. Wasn't horrible but I vatted it with some other odds and ends.

Yes, sorry, didn't mean to imply there was an age statement rather that the blend was highly composed of 5 yr old whisky - at least that is what I remember. Will see if I can find where that was.

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MtnDew

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Well, thats kinda lame. I may still grab a bottle considering the low price just to see, but this may be yet another one of those bottles where I missed the heyday on. Oh well, just means I will be able to taste the new bottle with an open mind since I won't know any better :)

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Wikipedia article says "at least 7 years old" - saw the "5 year" description in a Merwin's online store. So, go figure.

The gems are what squire probably remembers - there used to be a 10 year old that was discontinued and even further back a 15 year old. Anyone who has one of those tucked away would have something very interesting.

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smokinjoe

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All of this talk of Black Bottle, with it's reduced age, changed bottle, obfuscation on which whiskies are in it, reduced quality, etc. has me thinkin'...This shit is so overrated. Fuck Black Bottle. :slappin:

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MtnDew

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Sure, why not, fast food meals have their place as well.

Ha, true. I've been on a quest recently to try and find cheap but still tasty scotch to try and save the pocket book some pain and this one, while greatly reduced in quality from earlier, may still be a good fit for the low price. However, at $30 around here it's getting very close to a bottle of Glenfiddich or Glenlivet 12 and is slightly above Monkey Shoulder, all scotchs I currently enjoy for their simple yet nice flavor.

I'll probably grab a bottle of this in the near future to give it a whirl.

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Ha, true. I've been on a quest recently to try and find cheap but still tasty scotch to try and save the pocket book some pain and this one, while greatly reduced in quality from earlier, may still be a good fit for the low price. However, at $30 around here it's getting very close to a bottle of Glenfiddich or Glenlivet 12 and is slightly above Monkey Shoulder, all scotchs I currently enjoy for their simple yet nice flavor.

I'll probably grab a bottle of this in the near future to give it a whirl.

Roll your own ;-)

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Roll your own ;-)

Go back more than a month or so and I would call you crazy. In that time though, I've discovered how good the SB blend of 50/50 OWA and OW12 is, it basically sold me on blending.

However, I've never tried it with scotch and I'm a little hesitant. Are there any recommended recipes out there? I've been enjoying the bourbon, rye, and scotch mix of High West Campfire and had been thinking it would be fun to take a nice sweet speyside and add a small amount of Islay to give it that light peat on the base.

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Go back more than a month or so and I would call you crazy. In that time though, I've discovered how good the SB blend of 50/50 OWA and OW12 is, it basically sold me on blending.

However, I've never tried it with scotch and I'm a little hesitant. Are there any recommended recipes out there? I've been enjoying the bourbon, rye, and scotch mix of High West Campfire and had been thinking it would be fun to take a nice sweet speyside and add a small amount of Islay to give it that light peat on the base.

Try 1:1 Clynelish:Glendronach, then add a few drops of something heavily peated (a little peat goes a long way).

Then go from there & experiment with proportions...

:)

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