Fireball Whiskey Recall

[Scotch Neat]

Guess if you cant get to an auto parts store you could fill your radiator with Fireball.

Why not reduce the propylene glycol to the lowest standard and make one product? is the taste that different?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/29/fireball-whiskey-recall_n_6067486.html

[The Black Tot]

Yeah, I know.

I was kind of jealous of a food protection agency that both had a (50x I think it was?) tighter restriction on the amount of things like propylene glycol fit for public consumption, and also properly monitored, detected, and enforced the policy.

Sazerac's response? "We already put less in Europe's stuff because they're crybabies. Even though we put more in for North Americans, we could put 8 times the larger amount in and still be legal"

Um - FAIL?

Go Scandinavia!

Edited November 2, 2014 by The Black Tot

[ldugsjr1986]

Yeah, I know.

I was kind of jealous of a food protection agency that both had a (50x I think it was?) tighter restriction on the amount of things like propylene glycol fit for public consumption, and also properly monitored, detected, and enforced the policy.

Sazerac's response? "We already put less in Europe's stuff because they're crybabies. Even though we put more in for North Americans, we could put 8 times the larger amount in and still be legal"

Um - FAIL?

Go Scandinavia!

That surely was a very poorly thought out response ...

[The Black Tot]

That surely was a very poorly thought out response ...

Thank you for your opinion.

[ldugsjr1986]

Thank you for your opinion.

Hope there wasn't a miscommunication there ...

I was referring to Saz's response as being poorly thought out as I agree with you it is a major fail.

[The Black Tot]

Hope there wasn't a miscommunication there ...

I was referring to Saz's response as being poorly thought out as I agree with you it is a major fail.

haha, I admit I wasn't quite sure there what you meant. I wouldn't have taken it personally, but I'm glad you clarified!

[Balcones Winston]

Propylene Glycol is also one of the main ingredients in e-cigarette liquid.

[oke&coke]

Also inside the beads inside a cigar humidifier.

[danz]

Propylene Glycol is also one of the main ingredients in e-cigarette liquid.

Edited November 4, 2014 by danz

[Hop]

Also an ingredient in pharmaceuticals. Used in compounding. However I'm more familiar with it as noted above in cigar humidor humidification.

[upStomp]

It's been heavily researched for decades and is recognized as safe for human consumption. It's an extremely common ingredient in flavorings and food extracts. Europe is being Europish. The whole "antifreeze" thing is propaganda most recently being pushed by the anti-ecig folks - water is an ingredient in antifreeze too.

I'd love to know just what these levels are that they feel are so dangerous.

With that said, I still don't plan to drink it. I'm not a fan of pre-flavored whiskeys - but I'm even less of a fan of knee-jerk bans and regulations based on propaganda.

[The Black Tot]

Matters of food safety have to be decided from person to person.

Since only a few of us have medical training or degrees in chemistry (which may not in and of themselves still exclude them from bias), we have to go with our gut sometimes as a consumer to decide whether to believe it when someone tells us that something is safe to put in our bodies or not.

I'm not anti-immunization or overly paranoid about chemicals, but I do believe that a Scandinavian food safety review is less likely to be built on propoganda than a North American food safety review is likely to be for sale via lobbying or other corporate skullduggery.

I might be wrong, and you can call that knee jerk, but outside of devoting the next 30 years of my life to studying the matter myself, which I don't have the time to do, I've got to choose whom to place my faith in based on the available track records.

[squire]

Matters of food safety have to be decided from person to person.

I would hope they would be decided by qualified persons. Unfortunately politics (driven by money) heavily determine how these decisions are made with the EU in particular making some rather silly ones.

[amg]

Still, it would be nice to have a list of ingredients on these things so that a person can make an informed decision.

[The Black Tot]

I would hope they would be decided by qualified persons.

Perhaps more accurately what I meant is that when the qualified persons disagree, as in the propylene glycol example here, a person has to make their choice on which qualified persons to believe.

[squire]

I agree Andrew and would like to see full disclosure of all ingredients with the percentages.

[squire]

Perhaps more accurately what I meant is that when the qualified persons disagree, as in the propylene glycol example here, a person has to make their choice on which qualified persons to believe.

Yes, certainly, and I'd like to see politicians actually read the provisions on which they're voting.

[Hop]

Amen to that brothers!

[Balcones Winston]

water is an ingredient in antifreeze too.

Water isn't safe either, I hear it's the leading cause of drowning

[The Black Tot]

Water isn't safe either, I hear it's the leading cause of drowning

Haha - nice one, Winston.

[Balcones Winston]

Haha - nice one, Winston.

[BFerguson]

If so bad, in my career, I've attempted to then poison thousands of people by handing out the worlds most popular, and most hated, bowel prep for colonoscopies. Granted, most folks think it might as well be poison for what it does. Article said it right, polyethylene glycol is safe, ethylene is not. It's like how ethanol is safe, and methanol is not. That extra chain, or many, make all the difference.

[Paddy]

Water isn't safe either, I hear it's the leading cause of drowning

Water is poisonous...too much of it will kill you. That's why I always add a little bourbon to mine!

[danz]

If so bad, in my career, I've attempted to then poison thousands of people by handing out the worlds most popular, and most hated, bowel prep for colonoscopies. Granted, most folks think it might as well be poison for what it does. Article said it right, polyethylene glycol is safe, ethylene is not. It's like how ethanol is safe, and methanol is not. That extra chain, or many, make all the difference.

But isn't there a bit of a difference taking it for a bowel prep and taking it by oral ingestion or inhalation? And aren't we talking about propylene glycol, rather than polyethylene glycol, in drinks. I am suspicious about how healthy or safe it is, regardless of whether or not it is approved for use in food in the US. And in any event, it seems like extra "gunk" that I don't really want in my drinks. It seems artificial, like photoshopping or vanity cosmetic surgery.

[MauiSon]

Extra "gunk" would include toasted and charred barrel extracts, eh? Can't deny that some barrel extracts may be hazardous to your health and not all have been sufficiently tested.

Edited November 7, 2014 by MauiSon